After Mercedes introduced a thorough upgrade package in Monaco, Ferrari seem to follow suit by debuting a raft of new part at this weekend’s Spanish Grand Prix. F1Technical's Balázs Szabó reports on Ferrari's latest development push.
Alberto Aimar as you notice, also said that there is no space for some vortex generators or flow diverters on SF23 (like on RB19 or W14) since the floor edge is very narrow and these kind of aero details simply will not work on their concept.Andi76 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 16:00Interesting comparison of SF-23s floor edge to Red Bull and Mercedes (sorry for the poor quality)
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It is clear that Ferrari's floor edge is very simple compared to Red Bull and Mercedes, which is due to the different concept, so Ferrari also has a much lower airflow in this area. Mercedes and Red Bull might have an advantage in this area with their floor edge wings regarding the underbody, while Ferrari probably thinks that this is outweighed by the advantages of their bathtubs. Quite interesting how the different concepts produce different solutions in this area as well.
Potentially why RB didn't run any of this sort of device last year either. They've widened the real estate in that area for '23 by increasing the undercut allowing them to place these devices. Maybe this is a potential sf23 development path too.FDD wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 16:41Alberto Aimar as you notice, also said that there is no space for some vortex generators or flow diverters on SF23 (like on RB19 or W14) since the floor edge is very narrow and these kind of aero details simply will not work on their concept.Andi76 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 16:00Interesting comparison of SF-23s floor edge to Red Bull and Mercedes (sorry for the poor quality)
https://postimages.org/
It is clear that Ferrari's floor edge is very simple compared to Red Bull and Mercedes, which is due to the different concept, so Ferrari also has a much lower airflow in this area. Mercedes and Red Bull might have an advantage in this area with their floor edge wings regarding the underbody, while Ferrari probably thinks that this is outweighed by the advantages of their bathtubs. Quite interesting how the different concepts produce different solutions in this area as well.
That's debatable, there are plenty of options for edge treatment on SF-23, winglets are just one of them. VGs and other flow conditioners? I can't see why not
That was observation by Alberto, but maybe he is wrong, I can not comment on that cause I am not an
Floor edge treatment on the AM is also relatively simple so maybe the complexity of the furniture in this area is not necessarily an indicator of the effectiveness of the floor design.
Shiieiet..At Ferrari, the approach is pragmatic and conservative because the SF-23 is not showing as much as it did at the factory. Meanwhile Red Bull denies using more conservative ground clearance. Qualifying analysis.
Correlation issues? Not only the underateer but four tenths. That needs to be fixed before they can properly develop, surely?Ferrari didn't come to Bahrain to win,but with an objective that was to maximize the result of this race because, as Vasseur put it, "the world championship cannot be won in Bahrain" . A progmatic and conservative approach, the result of a car that is not showing the same performance on the track as seen at the Maranello simulator . The front is missing and at least four tenths, at least in Bahrain.
I think 4 tenths isn't THAT crazy. The W13 last year was something like 1-1.5 seconds slower than their sims.organic wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 20:39Shiieiet..At Ferrari, the approach is pragmatic and conservative because the SF-23 is not showing as much as it did at the factory. Meanwhile Red Bull denies using more conservative ground clearance. Qualifying analysis.
Not only the underateer but four tenths. That needs to be fixed before they can properly develop, surely?Ferrari didn't come to Bahrain to win,but with an objective that was to maximize the result of this race because, as Vasseur put it, "the world championship cannot be won in Bahrain" . A progmatic and conservative approach, the result of a car that is not showing the same performance on the track as seen at the Maranello simulator . The front is missing and at least four tenths, at least in Bahrain.
Direct link to article: https://www.formu1a.uno/ecco-perche-in- ... in-difesa/
Sounds to me like combined time "available" with better working front and actually used new rear wing. There really isn't anything complicated enough with the front wing aerodynamically that can cause a loss of 4 tenths alone, rules simply don't allow complex geometry anymore. What can happen is as we discussed, a bit too much flexing at medium-high speed corners, resulting in slight loss of downforce.organic wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 20:39Shiieiet..At Ferrari, the approach is pragmatic and conservative because the SF-23 is not showing as much as it did at the factory. Meanwhile Red Bull denies using more conservative ground clearance. Qualifying analysis.
Not only the underateer but four tenths. That needs to be fixed before they can properly develop, surely?Ferrari didn't come to Bahrain to win,but with an objective that was to maximize the result of this race because, as Vasseur put it, "the world championship cannot be won in Bahrain" . A progmatic and conservative approach, the result of a car that is not showing the same performance on the track as seen at the Maranello simulator . The front is missing and at least four tenths, at least in Bahrain.
Direct link to article: https://www.formu1a.uno/ecco-perche-in- ... in-difesa/
Yep, they planned/expected to be 4 tenths faster, 1 thing we know they are missing is the new model RW, to that we add the rumour that the FW isn't giving the intended results.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 21:58Sounds to me like combined time "available" with better working front and actually used new rear wing. There really isn't anything complicated enough with the front wing aerodynamically that can cause a loss of 4 tenths alone, rules simply don't allow complex geometry anymore. What can happen is as we discussed, a bit too much flexing at medium-high speed corners, resulting in slight loss of downforce.organic wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 20:39Shiieiet..At Ferrari, the approach is pragmatic and conservative because the SF-23 is not showing as much as it did at the factory. Meanwhile Red Bull denies using more conservative ground clearance. Qualifying analysis.
Not only the underateer but four tenths. That needs to be fixed before they can properly develop, surely?Ferrari didn't come to Bahrain to win,but with an objective that was to maximize the result of this race because, as Vasseur put it, "the world championship cannot be won in Bahrain" . A progmatic and conservative approach, the result of a car that is not showing the same performance on the track as seen at the Maranello simulator . The front is missing and at least four tenths, at least in Bahrain.
Direct link to article: https://www.formu1a.uno/ecco-perche-in- ... in-difesa/
This slight loss, however, could potentially cause balance issues and lead to other setup compromises and that could maybe grow to 4 tenths. To me this sounds not only plausible, but maybe even slightly too optimistic, as this is a loss that can be recovered quickly, just like they announced already.
