2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[FNTC]

Albon out. One position gained.

Others will move up first.

Ah, right, so Perez goes past then?

[Juzh]

Albon out. One position gained.

Others will move up first.

Ah, right, so Perez goes past then?

Everyone behind albon moves up one place, Max stays 17th regardless.

[Sergej]

The race today will go ahead, because the forecast got better with less rain as expected.

Even if it's worse than yesterday's Q, the race will happen, even if for two laps, behind a safety car ; and then whatever is the applicable fraction of the points will be awarded to the drivers who wont be allowed to overtake behind the safety car anyway.

Behind the scenes, F1 will ensure race control rules it this way, because that will ensure Verstappen scores 0 and Norris eats further into the lead. They are, ultimately, like 2021, going for 'entertainment'. Fundamentally 'it's a business', the money needs to keep coming in.

It's hard to swallow, but it's the truth.

They need at least two green flag laps for points to be awarded, no more Spa-21 like situation. But sure they will make this happen.

Realistically our best scenario is that they can't do +75% race distance so that partial points are awarded. Max can make a few points but not many I fear.

[avantman]

Yeah I am calling it, Brasil will be the race when we lost the WDC. You heard it here first. Next year we will try again. Game over for me.

if max had the same mentality, he wouldn't even have made it to f1 lol.
luckily, the only thing we can be sure about at this moment in time - he will fight until the very end.

You will see that after 3-4 more weeks I was right. The gap after today could be around 20 points with 3 races to go. And Mclaren has a dominant car, for Red Bull even a podium is hard to get. Max has no chance, its hard to say this as his big fan. I should just move on, at least I can be happy with amazing last 3 seasons he has had.

The race today will go ahead, because the forecast got better with less rain as expected.

Mate, It seems I could see and recognize Mclaren have far better car a lot earlier than most at this forum. In the summer I said they won't be wining on pace anymore. But I also saw the same in 2021, where he shouldn't have won any races post Silverstone, so much faster mercedes was after upgrades. But he still won somehow, not just few races but also the championship.
Let's just wait and see todays race result first. Anything is possible in such races, a podium would be not too bad, unless the FIA red flags it and stops in very convenient moment again

[chrisc90]

Albon out. One position gained.

Others will move up first.

Ah, right, so Perez goes past then?

Well everyone will move up because of albon out.

42) THE GRID FOR THE SPRINT OR THE RACE
42.1 The grid for the race will be formed in accordance with the results of the qualifying session
described in Article 39.2, the classification process defined in Article 39.4 and the procedure
defined in Article 42.3. Any penalties received for the race will be added up and be applied using
the procedure defined in Article 42.3.
42.2 The grid for the sprint session, if scheduled, will be formed in accordance with the results of the
sprint qualifying session described in Article 39.3, the classification process defined in Article
39.4 and the procedure defined in Article 42.3. Any penalties received for the sprint session will
be added up and be applied using the procedure defined in Article 42.3.
42.3 Starting from a nominally empty grid, drivers will be allocated their grid positions in the following
sequence of steps:

a) Classified drivers who have received 15 or less cumulative grid penalties will be allocated
a temporary grid position equal to their qualifying session or sprint qualifying session
classification plus the sum of their grid penalties. If two or more drivers share a temporary
grid position, their relative order will be determined in accordance with their qualifying
session or sprint qualifying session classification, with the slowest driver keeping their
allocated temporary grid position, and the other drivers getting temporary grid positions
immediately ahead of them.
b) Following the allocation of temporary grid positions to penalised drivers in accordance
with (a), unpenalised classified drivers will be allocated any unoccupied grid position, in
the sequence of their qualifying session or sprint qualifying session classification.
c) Following the allocation of grid positions to unpenalised classified drivers, penalised
drivers with a temporary grid position, as defined in (a), will be moved up to fill any
unoccupied grid position.
d) Classified drivers who have accrued more than 15 cumulative grid position penalties, or
who have been penalised to start at the back of the grid, will start behind any other
classified driver. Their relative position will be determined in accordance with their
qualifying session or sprint qualifying session classification.

So, I think given by Max only got 5 place penalty, that will put him P17 after the qualifying order. Then you move everyone. I think. Not sure.

[Joel709]

Others will move up first.

Ah, right, so Perez goes past then?

Everyone behind albon moves up one place, Max stays 17th regardless.

Nobody moves, they’ve said the grid boxes will be empty so essentially means everyone keeps the same position unless you start from the pits. Good for max as will have some free spaces to take. I’m not sure how it’ll work if they do a rolling start however

[stewie325]

With a better driver, McLaren would have wrapped up the drivers WDC a long time ago.

It's a shocker that Red Bull are still somewhat in it, but won't be surprising if they lose both championships by a landslide.

The rumours of the FIA removing something in the RB20's suspension around Miami are surely the only explanation for such a dip in performance... I can't remember a bigger downfall mid-season ever - maybe apart from Ferrari's fuel flow trickery being nerfed.

[FNTC]

The performance drop-off also started around the time when Newey stopped being on the pit wall. I think he gave valuable inputs to setup etc.

[Vettel165]

With a better driver, McLaren would have wrapped up the drivers WDC a long time ago.

It's a shocker that Red Bull are still somewhat in it, but won't be surprising if they lose both championships by a landslide.

The rumours of the FIA removing something in the RB20's suspension around Miami are surely the only explanation for such a dip in performance... I can't remember a bigger downfall mid-season ever - maybe apart from Ferrari's fuel flow trickery being nerfed.

Agree this is why for weeks I have been saying if Max wins it would be his best title ever. On other side if it doesnt happen, at least we can say he gave its absolute maximum to fight for it with the third best car in the second part of the season. I think its 70-30% now with chances being better for Lando.

[avantman]

The so-called performance drop-off started when Mclaren brought B) spec heavily revised, their truly new 2024 car to the track in Miami. The rest is just speculation, that wasn't even echoed by their rivals. Could you imagine there was some sort of cheat, or just grey area solution, which Zak never even hinted on? I personally can't. Kravitz, who is anyone but Max and red bull lover, said he talked to lots of people and engineers in the paddock and noone said it could've been truth.

[Joel709]

I’m still concerned whether or not we see any full racing at all today. If the forecast is bad then I can see a race hounded by VSC and safety cars due to the wet weather which would stump any progress max could make.

[LHamilton]

Not a redbull fan, but I would say that the race directors messed it up today. They should have pulled out the red flag immediately. The calls should not favour one set of drivers and put others at a disadvantage. Everyone needs to be treated fairly.

Leclerc set a lap time 4-5 seconds after Stroll had crashed that put Verstappen 11th. At that point you had the best part of 1 minute 35 seconds on the clock, with a fast lap being in the 1.25's. So there would be very little chance that Verstappen wouldve been able to complete an outlap and make the chequered flag before its fallen, with how slow people go out of the pits on their outlaps. And McLaren could just send out Norris and Piastri in the fastlane straight away and block Verstappen from doing anything.

So in this instance, its not really the directors fault for the red flag making Verstappen miss Q3. Sure, he wouldve been 11th (prior to his penalty) rather than the odd place lower down, but.. yeah.

If you wanna argue the point of red flag being late, then thats another situation. And you gotta allow the stewards SOME time to see the incident, judge how serious it is, before making a decision. I know people would complain if the red flag was waived prematurely. It happend.. last year I think, in Spain with Bottas spinning. And I remember it happend a few times that season, and noone likes that. So you gotta given them sufficent time. What you feel is 'sufficent' is debateable, but in this instance, the red flag didnt really matter for championship.

[Spoutnik]

With a better driver, McLaren would have wrapped up the drivers WDC a long time ago.

It's a shocker that Red Bull are still somewhat in it, but won't be surprising if they lose both championships by a landslide.

The rumours of the FIA removing something in the RB20's suspension around Miami are surely the only explanation for such a dip in performance... I can't remember a bigger downfall mid-season ever - maybe apart from Ferrari's fuel flow trickery being nerfed.

Agree this is why for weeks I have been saying if Max wins it would be his best title ever. On other side if it doesnt happen, at least we can say he gave its absolute maximum to fight for it with the third best car in the second part of the season. I think its 70-30% now with chances being better for Lando.

What are you talking about ?

[Vettel165]

With a better driver, McLaren would have wrapped up the drivers WDC a long time ago.

It's a shocker that Red Bull are still somewhat in it, but won't be surprising if they lose both championships by a landslide.

The rumours of the FIA removing something in the RB20's suspension around Miami are surely the only explanation for such a dip in performance... I can't remember a bigger downfall mid-season ever - maybe apart from Ferrari's fuel flow trickery being nerfed.

Agree this is why for weeks I have been saying if Max wins it would be his best title ever. On other side if it doesnt happen, at least we can say he gave its absolute maximum to fight for it with the third best car in the second part of the season. I think its 70-30% now with chances being better for Lando.

What are you talking about ?

Just my opinion. Of course hoping I am wrong.

[FNTC]

You can make a lot of money on your pessimism by betting on Lando for WDC if you believe it, max is at like 80% in the betting markets still.