2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[JordanMugen]

Would you like it if he just trailed behind?

That would avoid car damage.

Say they were both owner-drivers like Sir Jack Brabham and the cars were fragile (and dangerous) like 1956-1970 F1 cars, how would Sir Jack race in this situation?

It's true that:
(1) Verstappen could waive Norris through and consolidate P2 to minimise risk. (I think that would been a smart strategy for Verstappen.)

But it's also true that:
(2) Norris could stay behind and consolidate P2 himself and not attempt to overtake to minimise risk. (This also would have been a smart strategy for Norris.)

Instead we had the problem that both drivers were desperate to win, and neither were happy to consolidate a solid P2.

IMO Verstappen's weaving under braking on the third straight one or two laps before was out-of-line.

I think neither Verstappen nor Norris would race so hard if it was the City Car Cup UK and they had to go home and personally fix their Peugeot 108 afterwards... (Although maybe they enjoy bodywork and/or reshelling Peugeots, I dunno!)

[Darth-Piekus]

There is nothing that could justify what Max did there. It was a deliberate crash

[chrisc90]

IMHO, Lando should have also got a penalty for forcing Max off the track the lap or 2 before. Just like Nico did 24hours earlier.

Nico:



Lando:

[Macklaren]

IMHO, Lando should have also got a penalty for forcing Max off the track the lap or 2 before. Just like Nico did 24hours earlier.

Nico:



Lando:

Why? Lando gave the position back immediately

[Dafnalina]

I don't think Lando's moves were amateurish, he couldn't do a whole lot better with our top speed disadvantage and with Max moving under breaking. I don't think anyone else would've looked good trying to overtake Verstappen here.

[chrisc90]

IMHO, Lando should have also got a penalty for forcing Max off the track the lap or 2 before. Just like Nico did 24hours earlier.

Nico:



Lando:

Why? Lando gave the position back immediately

In Nico's case the problem wasnt the giving of the position back.

The Stewards, having received a report from the Race Director, have considered the following
matter and determine the following:

No / Driver 27 - Nico Hulkenberg
Competitor MoneyGram Haas F1 Team
Time 12:30
Fact Car 27 forced Car 14 off track at turn 3.
Infringement Breach of Appendix L, Chapter IV, Article 2 b) of the International Sporting Code.
Decision 10 second time penalty.
(10 seconds added to elapsed Sprint time).
2 penalty points (total of 2 for the 12 month period).
Reason The Stewards reviewed video and in-car video evidence.
The driver of Car 27 attempted an overtake on Car 14 into Turn 3 but locked up and
missed the apex. The Car understeered to the very edge of the track, thereby
preventing Car 14 from turning in and forcing the other driver off track.
Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the
Stewards, in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and
Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits.

[SilviuAgo]

IMHO, Lando should have also got a penalty for forcing Max off the track the lap or 2 before. Just like Nico did 24hours earlier.

Nico:



Lando:

I don't think this two are same. Nico almost missed the corner, had a lock up, was in front of the AM etc.
Lando made the corner, gave some space for other car, Max came from outside in front of Lando etc.

[selvam_e2002]

Next Vettel is Max. Vettel is not good with Wheel to Wheel race and same goes to Max.
I like how Norris gave back the position. He knows how to race . I hope he will learn from this experience(not a mistake).

[selvam_e2002]

IMHO, Lando should have also got a penalty for forcing Max off the track the lap or 2 before. Just like Nico did 24hours earlier.

Nico:



Lando:

I don't think this two are same. Nico almost missed the corner, had a lock up, was in front of the AM etc.
Lando made the corner, gave some space for other car, Max came from outside in front of Lando etc.

He already got 5sec for that.

[selvam_e2002]

the golden boy Max always saved by F1 stewards.

[Carmack]

All the Max lackeys arguing Lando was at fault for divebombing, conveniently know the fact that Max turned LEFT into a right hand corner to take him out. That is blatant dangerous driving/cheating and has nothing to do with divebombing up the inside

You divebomb on the inside. If you divebomb on the outside, who cares if you don't brake at all, you're not in a way of anybody...

[chrisc90]

I don't think this two are same. Nico almost missed the corner, had a lock up, was in front of the AM etc.
Lando made the corner, gave some space for other car, Max came from outside in front of Lando etc.

Nico made the corner though right?

Its exactly mirror image, just about 3metres sooner on track at where the corner is made.

[Ground Effect]

The worst thing for someone competing with Max is to have a car of similar pace, or ever so slightly quicker. He will never let you beat him fair and square, because he will go over the limit.

[SilviuAgo]

I don't think this two are same. Nico almost missed the corner, had a lock up, was in front of the AM etc.
Lando made the corner, gave some space for other car, Max came from outside in front of Lando etc.

Nico made the corner though right?

Its exactly mirror image, just about 3metres sooner on track at where the corner is made.

You have your opinion I have mine. Anyway the stewards this race were almost nowere. And the only (or main) guy enjoying this was Russell.

[chrisgr]

The 5 secs penalty for Norris was for violating track limits.

Verstappen hits Norris not only once but twice. An the end of the braking zone, when they're almost side by side and then at the apex, when Max steers left and hits Norris (deliberately imo).