2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[yooogurt]

In years? Should we go back to 2022.

I mean they couldnt bring a bad update to 2023, after that bad car at start of 2023 anyway. You could only go up from there.

I mean Ferrari struggled with in season development ever since Alonso's days, lets be clear, especially if they start the season good you can almost bet a house they will crumble under pressure of fighting for championship. Just remember 2018 with development too.
Headless is what i am saying cause they brought update that gave them bouncing and headless cause we have now Vasseur that also serves as TD.

in 2022 updates in Barcelona and France gave an increase in pace and were good (french made the car less comfortable to drive but the car became faster), and do not forget that after Barcelona there were 3 nerf PU, which in the end cost 20-25 h.p.
2023 they make car better after updates.
2021+2020 - covid era, when PU become gp2 engine, nothing to judge.
2019 - Ferrari hard lose start season, but in second half after updated they make car competite vs merc.

Am i missing something? Im pretty sure its some kind of stereotype that Ferrari (especially the current engineering team) doesnt know how to update, and failing most of the time.

[Tulaodinho]

I dont think new upgrades are gonna help, as team looks currently headless in terms of development and other stuff.

for the first time in many years, the team prepared an unsuccessful (but not bad) update, and immediately begins to "headless in terms of development"
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In years? Should we go back to 2022.

I mean they couldnt bring a bad update to 2023, after that bad car at start of 2023 anyway. You could only go up from there.

I mean Ferrari struggled with in season development ever since Alonso's days, lets be clear, especially if they start the season good you can almost bet a house they will crumble under pressure of fighting for championship. Just remember 2018 with development too.
Headless is what i am saying cause they brought update that gave them bouncing and headless cause we have now Vasseur that also serves as TD.

Red Bull just introduced an update that didnt really work. Mercedes did not get their performance on friday, hence why they took the upgrades off. So, its hard for everyone, maybe mclaren a bit less.
Not, Im a bit skeptical about changing the suspension layout for 2025 though, in-season development will be minimal and im not sure its the best decision instead of sticking to what the team has now.

[dialtone]

I dont think new upgrades are gonna help, as team looks currently headless in terms of development and other stuff. Stories also that Vasseur are telling are very Binottoesque.
Not to mention other teams are not sitting with their hands tied, they are also developing, and we already spent quiet a big part of budget on upgrade that doesnt work.

Vanja may be optimistic but this is the opposite end of the spectrum.

Headless is where merc was till introducing the noodle front wing. Ferrari had a not good update that they worked on to improve, and they did.

A compromised car qualified 2nd and finished 7s from the winner and you chose to look only at the fact that last few races were though and didn't win this one.

[Xyz22]

I dont think new upgrades are gonna help, as team looks currently headless in terms of development and other stuff. Stories also that Vasseur are telling are very Binottoesque.
Not to mention other teams are not sitting with their hands tied, they are also developing, and we already spent quiet a big part of budget on upgrade that doesnt work.

Vanja may be optimistic but this is the opposite end of the spectrum.

Headless is where merc was till introducing the noodle front wing. Ferrari had a not good update that they worked on to improve, and they did.

A compromised car qualified 2nd and finished 7s from the winner and you chose to look only at the fact that last few races were though and didn't win this one.

The winner is Mercedes though. McL was miles faster than Mercedes.

Leclerc was very disappointed because he knows in a linear race he would have finished P6 behind 30s or something from the lead.

[dialtone]

I dont think new upgrades are gonna help, as team looks currently headless in terms of development and other stuff. Stories also that Vasseur are telling are very Binottoesque.
Not to mention other teams are not sitting with their hands tied, they are also developing, and we already spent quiet a big part of budget on upgrade that doesnt work.

Vanja may be optimistic but this is the opposite end of the spectrum.

Headless is where merc was till introducing the noodle front wing. Ferrari had a not good update that they worked on to improve, and they did.

A compromised car qualified 2nd and finished 7s from the winner and you chose to look only at the fact that last few races were though and didn't win this one.

The winner is Mercedes though. McL was miles faster than Mercedes.

Leclerc was very disappointed because he knows in a linear race he would have finished P6 behind 30s or something from the lead.

That's very debatable.

Piastri was gaining nothing on Hamilton until he got blocked by Russell, furthermore if MCL was that strong they would have won anyway or found a way to pass, none of that happened and instead PIA needed 2 DRS laps to barely pass LEC who was well off pace at that moment.

Mercs had the best pace and that is why they won with 2 different strategies no less.

It's enough slander to Mercs now, they were slow at the start, not now. Top 4 teams are very close as this race showed, if anyone was very superior you’d have last year races.

Edit: your claim is even more strange as if Ferrari had some strategy magic to gain them 23s this race… it was a straight race.

[Xyz22]

Vanja may be optimistic but this is the opposite end of the spectrum.

Headless is where merc was till introducing the noodle front wing. Ferrari had a not good update that they worked on to improve, and they did.

A compromised car qualified 2nd and finished 7s from the winner and you chose to look only at the fact that last few races were though and didn't win this one.

The winner is Mercedes though. McL was miles faster than Mercedes.

Leclerc was very disappointed because he knows in a linear race he would have finished P6 behind 30s or something from the lead.

That's very debatable.

Piastri was gaining nothing on Hamilton until he got blocked by Russell, furthermore if MCL was that strong they would have won anyway or found a way to pass, none of that happened and instead PIA needed 2 DRS laps to barely pass LEC who was well off pace at that moment.

Mercs had the best pace and that is why they won with 2 different strategies no less.

It's enough slander to Mercs now, they were slow at the start, not now. Top 4 teams are very close as this race showed, if anyone was very superior you’d have last year races.

Edit: your claim is even more strange as if Ferrari had some strategy magic to gain them 23s this race… it was a straight race.

Piastri was definitely quicker than Hamilton in the last stint and Piastri is the weakest drivers of the top teams, outside Perez. There is no way Hamilton could match Piastri in a linear race.

Dirty air was insane today and the they made the DRS zone shorter compared to previous years. This is how bad Ferrari was, pretty much the only top car that was overtaken.

This was the opposite of a straight race and this is one of the reasons Charles is very disappointed. He finished 9s behind a Mercedes which was nowhere months ago.

[dialtone]

The winner is Mercedes though. McL was miles faster than Mercedes.

Leclerc was very disappointed because he knows in a linear race he would have finished P6 behind 30s or something from the lead.

That's very debatable.

Piastri was gaining nothing on Hamilton until he got blocked by Russell, furthermore if MCL was that strong they would have won anyway or found a way to pass, none of that happened and instead PIA needed 2 DRS laps to barely pass LEC who was well off pace at that moment.

Mercs had the best pace and that is why they won with 2 different strategies no less.

It's enough slander to Mercs now, they were slow at the start, not now. Top 4 teams are very close as this race showed, if anyone was very superior you’d have last year races.

Edit: your claim is even more strange as if Ferrari had some strategy magic to gain them 23s this race… it was a straight race.

Piastri was definitely quicker than Hamilton in the last stint and Piastri is the weakest drivers of the top teams, outside Perez. There is no way Hamilto could match Piastri in a linear race.

Dirty air was insane today and the they made the DRS zone shorter compared to previous years. This is how bad Ferrari was, pretty much the only top car that was overtaken.

Most of the gain was when Ham was behind Rus. Ham was 1s/lap faster than Rus and Pia was 1.1/lap give or take.

Plus race is not just the last stint and HAM/LEC were the class of the field in the first 2 stints, PIA couldn’t gain what he had lost the rest of the race.

[yooogurt]

Plus race is not just the last stint and HAM/LEC were the class of the field in the first 2 stints, PIA couldn’t gain what he had lost the rest of the race.

And it was really telling that the gap arent big, and the fresh air makes a big difference.
ps. I am really surprised to see how the front wings of the Merc are dangling, and FIA does nothing about it (Aston last year they nerfed as soon as they noticed), with that kind of flexibility, they have a huge advantage for sure.

[sport777]

Plus race is not just the last stint and HAM/LEC were the class of the field in the first 2 stints, PIA couldn’t gain what he had lost the rest of the race.

And it was really telling that the gap arent big, and the fresh air makes a big difference.
ps. I am really surprised to see how the front wings of the Merc are dangling, and FIA does nothing about it (Aston last year they nerfed as soon as they noticed), with that kind of flexibility, they have a huge advantage for sure.

The Mercedes car has great potential, as Mercedes only switched to the Red Bull philosophy this year, their car generates as much downforce as McLaren, Mercedes just can't always squeeze everything out of the car, their wings bend at speed just like McLaren's

[sport777]

The winner is Mercedes though. McL was miles faster than Mercedes.

Leclerc was very disappointed because he knows in a linear race he would have finished P6 behind 30s or something from the lead.

That's very debatable.

Piastri was gaining nothing on Hamilton until he got blocked by Russell, furthermore if MCL was that strong they would have won anyway or found a way to pass, none of that happened and instead PIA needed 2 DRS laps to barely pass LEC who was well off pace at that moment.

Mercs had the best pace and that is why they won with 2 different strategies no less.

It's enough slander to Mercs now, they were slow at the start, not now. Top 4 teams are very close as this race showed, if anyone was very superior you’d have last year races.

Edit: your claim is even more strange as if Ferrari had some strategy magic to gain them 23s this race… it was a straight race.

Piastri was definitely quicker than Hamilton in the last stint and Piastri is the weakest drivers of the top teams, outside Perez. There is no way Hamilton could match Piastri in a linear race.

Dirty air was insane today and the they made the DRS zone shorter compared to previous years. This is how bad Ferrari was, pretty much the only top car that was overtaken.

This was the opposite of a straight race and this is one of the reasons Charles is very disappointed. He finished 9s behind a Mercedes which was nowhere months ago.

First, Mercedes, represented by Hamilton, was faster than Piastri in the first two segments, in the third segment, Hamilton himself said he drove quite carefully, about 7 laps and only when he was told that Russell would most likely not go to the pit stop, he began to pick up the pace, Piastri began to catch up with Hamilton only when Ham got into Russell's dirty air in the last 4-5 laps, so today the Mercedes car was a little faster than McLaren or equal

[Xyz22]

From lap 39 to lap 42 Leclerc lost an average of around 0.9s to Piastri.

In the last 2 laps he lost 0.6s each lap.

You guys are way too optimistic about Ferrari performance. Ferrari needs a miracle after the summer break to be in the fight again.

[Spoutnik]

From lap 39 to lap 42 Leclerc lost an average of around 0.9s to Piastri.

In the last 2 laps he lost 0.6s each lap.

You guys are way too optimistic about Ferrari performance. Ferrari needs a miracle after the summer break to be in the fight again.

It's more the fact that this McLaren is a rocketship really. McLaren should've won they just had not a great start, and mistakes (Piastri slow stop) and not the best strategy.

Ferrari wasn't that far from RB/Merc
Wonder how fast Charles would've been doing a 1 stopper, especially given Sainz' first stint

[LM10]

From lap 39 to lap 42 Leclerc lost an average of around 0.9s to Piastri.

In the last 2 laps he lost 0.6s each lap.

You guys are way too optimistic about Ferrari performance. Ferrari needs a miracle after the summer break to be in the fight again.

Others might be optimistic, but you’re pessimistic to a very annoying and energy-robbing point. It’s hard to read and I’m asking myself what your aim is. You and others posting on the same lines - using sensational words to make Ferrari look worse than they are - have made me lose more and more interest in this thread.

Leclerc was among the fastest on the grid in the first two stints. It was only in the last stint when he could not go the pace of the others.
Spa was not even going to be one of Ferrari’s stronger tracks to begin with and still they managed to be in the mix for the majority of the race.

[yooogurt]

From lap 39 to lap 42 Leclerc lost an average of around 0.9s to Piastri.

In the last 2 laps he lost 0.6s each lap.

You guys are way too optimistic about Ferrari performance. Ferrari needs a miracle after the summer break to be in the fight again.

How about lap 1 to 39? why wasnt there a "McLaren a mile ahead"?

[scuderiabrandon]

From lap 39 to lap 42 Leclerc lost an average of around 0.9s to Piastri.

In the last 2 laps he lost 0.6s each lap.

You guys are way too optimistic about Ferrari performance. Ferrari needs a miracle after the summer break to be in the fight again.

How about lap 1 to 39? why wasnt there a "McLaren a mile ahead"?

Dirty air was terrible. Finally you heard it from the drivers who typically start further ahead. And I've been stressing the importance of having good qualifications since round 2. I absolutely knew this was going to be the case.

They probably win this race by 20 seconds if they start on the front row. Piastri cleared Leclerc on lap 36, he was probably around 7 tenths of a second quicker than Hamilton.

Even Red Bull were clearly quicker, they shot themselves in the foot by creating a DRS with Perez and not having 2 hards.