Lando Norris 10second stop/go penalty - Qatar 2024

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Re: Lando Norris 10second stop/go penalty - Qatar 2024

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I guess they are listed like that because they gave the red/yellow flag AND the double waved yellow flag? The marshalling board was probably alternating between the two flags?
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Traces are a bit more relevant. Max is the only one who touches his brakes, everyone else plays with the throttle to some degree. Max brakes in the yellow flag zone, but sees it earlier because he gets off the throttle. Carlos and Charles also see it earlier and get off the throttle.

Some curious ways through that zone, Charles almost to a delta but slowly accelerating through the yellow flag zone, Carlos just lifting off the throttle less to start until the flags and then lifting more heavily. All but Max going faster than Mazepin and Latifi at Austria for their stop and go.

I'm not sour about it the penalty as much as this I think comes back to MBS and the new Race Controller and staff that have been brought in at a crucial time of the championship. The decisions within the race aren't consistent and the new staff not consistent with the previous handling of incidents.

Even if the penalty had been applied before the safety car then Norris would have come back out in 7th, and then I think this would have a lot less annoyance about it. But I do still think many people went through a double yellow flag without substantially reducing their speed, some cruised through it.

Would love to see some onboards from the different drivers approaching that zone to see what the Marshalls were waving.
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Mandrake wrote:
02 Dec 2024, 13:19
Not related to the penalty but I would like to see it as in WEC where the RD can talk to the teams / drivers directly. They could call a VSC and at the same time instruct drivers to drive to the far left of the race track and to not weave and pay attention to the cleanup. Otherwise they would have to go to FCY with a set speed like in WEC (not the laptime delta thingy they have at the moment, which is still risky in itself cause drivers slow down and speed up to keep temperature or make gains around pit exit line etc.) to make safe space for a marshall. For the pinnacle of motorsport it seems to be pretty lame not to be able to recover a light mirror off the track.
This does seem like it would be a really simple solution. In this instance, they could even have thrown a VSC and instructed all cars to go through the pit lane and not down the main straight.
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mwillems wrote:
02 Dec 2024, 18:42
250kph in an area where they may be marshalls on track is not safe.
As has already been explained, marshalls aren't on track for double yellows. They never enter the track itself without a VSC at minimum these days, unless it's because a car has stopped in a very safe place (say, pulled off on the inside of a corner way off the track limits themselves and way off the path of danger).