Petition to FIA - 2026 rules canceled, V10s in 2028

[bananapeel23]

In an ideal world we would have V10s. That's not happening, but the 2026 engines will still be crap.

Personally I care less for the sound and more for the power. Now the sound could also theoretically be improved by setting a higher rev target for the maximum allowed fuel flow, like 13000 as opposed to 10500 for the current V6.

The only thing that has any chance of happening is an increase to the fuel flow, and perhaps a reduction of how long the 2026 engine regulations will run. I think they planned a renewal for 2030, but I highly doubt that will end up happening without some major alterations.

[Slahinki]

Anything but the sad vacuum cleaners we have now and the utter travesty that is likely inbound for 2026.

[Sevach]

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... v10-motor/

Seems like an intermediary solution changing the power split from 55/45 to 70/30 is being floated.

[Richard C]

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... v10-motor/

Seems like an intermediary solution changing the power split from 55/45 to 70/30 is being floated.

The logic in that article makes zero sense. They are using FUD by saying “Oh, no, imagine a 1000HP car vs. a 550 HP car!” But using that same logic and moving to a 70/30 or 80/20 split that a 300 or 200HP deficit will be OK? I would expect the hybrid power unit is very much optimized to work with anticipated power split. And that once again, who is looking to rework their solutions (potentially significantly) to move to a 70/30 or 80/20 split? Not enough to make it happen.

Lastly, it is interesting that they say who is against all of this, but don’t call out who is pushing their ideas forward. I mean we can speculate based upon which power unit manufactures are not in the “nope” column, but it could also just be MBS or who knows who keeping this ridiculous story of early change alive.

Richard

[KimiRai]

Mark Hughes

As the new formula dawns closer and internal readings have been made regarding where everyone is at, the possibility of there being a huge spread in performance between the various PUs looks very real. Of the five manufacturers, one looks to be in good shape, there is a dearth of information about another, the bio-fuel choice made by one (with the other four opting for synthetic) is reportedly uncompetitive and the remaining two PUs seem a long way behind.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arti ... ens-erupt/

[AR3-GP]

Mark Hughes

As the new formula dawns closer and internal readings have been made regarding where everyone is at, the possibility of there being a huge spread in performance between the various PUs looks very real. Of the five manufacturers, one looks to be in good shape, there is a dearth of information about another, the bio-fuel choice made by one (with the other four opting for synthetic) is reportedly uncompetitive and the remaining two PUs seem a long way behind.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arti ... ens-erupt/

Well, I would have to guess that the continuing manufacturers (Honda, Mercedes, Ferrari) are the leaders. That would make the RBPT and Audi, "a long way behind".

[Sevach]

Mark Hughes

As the new formula dawns closer and internal readings have been made regarding where everyone is at, the possibility of there being a huge spread in performance between the various PUs looks very real. Of the five manufacturers, one looks to be in good shape, there is a dearth of information about another, the bio-fuel choice made by one (with the other four opting for synthetic) is reportedly uncompetitive and the remaining two PUs seem a long way behind.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arti ... ens-erupt/

The idea of homologating several important parts before the first season of competition even starts is so dumb.
It led to a ridiculous 2014 and they are doing it again.

[Seanspeed]

Mark Hughes

As the new formula dawns closer and internal readings have been made regarding where everyone is at, the possibility of there being a huge spread in performance between the various PUs looks very real. Of the five manufacturers, one looks to be in good shape, there is a dearth of information about another, the bio-fuel choice made by one (with the other four opting for synthetic) is reportedly uncompetitive and the remaining two PUs seem a long way behind.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arti ... ens-erupt/

The idea of homologating several important parts before the first season of competition even starts is so dumb.
It led to a ridiculous 2014 and they are doing it again.

Not being able to actually develop these technologies also further undermines 'road relevance'.

[CouncilorIrissa]

Mark Hughes

As the new formula dawns closer and internal readings have been made regarding where everyone is at, the possibility of there being a huge spread in performance between the various PUs looks very real. Of the five manufacturers, one looks to be in good shape, there is a dearth of information about another, the bio-fuel choice made by one (with the other four opting for synthetic) is reportedly uncompetitive and the remaining two PUs seem a long way behind.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arti ... ens-erupt/

The idea of homologating several important parts before the first season of competition even starts is so dumb.
It led to a ridiculous 2014 and they are doing it again.

Not only that, the hybrid era started getting better the moment we got rid of that silly token system. Do they have a memory of a goldfish?

[Sevach]

Not only that, the hybrid era started getting better the moment we got rid of that silly token system. Do they have a memory of a goldfish?

I think they do...
2014 was the worst, and to add insult to injury in the subsequent years manufacturers were still having to tinker with their failed engines within a very strict budget of changes they could make instead of remaking the engine wholesale taking lessons from the competition.
And they are doing it again.

It's like if you weren't allowed to copy what Red Bull was doing with their RB18/19.

Not being able to actually develop these technologies also further undermines 'road relevance'.

This too.

[franbatista123]

Mark Hughes

As the new formula dawns closer and internal readings have been made regarding where everyone is at, the possibility of there being a huge spread in performance between the various PUs looks very real. Of the five manufacturers, one looks to be in good shape, there is a dearth of information about another, the bio-fuel choice made by one (with the other four opting for synthetic) is reportedly uncompetitive and the remaining two PUs seem a long way behind.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arti ... ens-erupt/

So i'm guessing probably.

• "one looks to be in good shape" - Mercedes

• "there is a dearth of information about another" - Ferrari

• "the bio-fuel choice made by one (with the other four opting for synthetic) is reportedly uncompetitive" - Honda (because of some reports by Petronas)

• "the remaining two PUs seem a long way behind" - RBPT and Audi

[DoctorRadio]

Mark Hughes

As the new formula dawns closer and internal readings have been made regarding where everyone is at, the possibility of there being a huge spread in performance between the various PUs looks very real. Of the five manufacturers, one looks to be in good shape, there is a dearth of information about another, the bio-fuel choice made by one (with the other four opting for synthetic) is reportedly uncompetitive and the remaining two PUs seem a long way behind.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arti ... ens-erupt/

So i'm guessing probably.

• "one looks to be in good shape" - Mercedes

• "there is a dearth of information about another" - Ferrari

• "the bio-fuel choice made by one (with the other four opting for synthetic) is reportedly uncompetitive" - Honda (because of some reports by Petronas)

• "the remaining two PUs seem a long way behind" - RBPT and Audi

Regarding your points, I think it is Mercedes, Honda, Ferrari (Shell invested in bio-fuel and Honda has ARAMCO which is on e-fuel since forever), with Audi/RBPT a long way behind.

Edit: also Petronas invested in bio-fuel, so who knows really https://www.petronas.com/media/media-re ... -construct

As ENI is partner for fuel of Alpine from 2026, it is possible that it is Petronas with bio-fuel in 2026.

[franbatista123]

Mark Hughes



https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arti ... ens-erupt/

So i'm guessing probably.

• "one looks to be in good shape" - Mercedes

• "there is a dearth of information about another" - Ferrari

• "the bio-fuel choice made by one (with the other four opting for synthetic) is reportedly uncompetitive" - Honda (because of some reports by Petronas)

• "the remaining two PUs seem a long way behind" - RBPT and Audi

Regarding your points, I think it is Mercedes, Honda, Ferrari (Shell invested in bio-fuel and Honda has ARAMCO which is on e-fuel since forever), with Audi/RBPT a long way behind.

Edit: also Petronas invested in bio-fuel, so who knows really https://www.petronas.com/media/media-re ... -construct

As ENI is partner for fuel of Alpine from 2026, it is possible that it is Petronas with bio-fuel in 2026.

Who knows indeed. I was mentioning Honda because of this spanish article https://www.motor.es/formula-1/informe- ... .html?s=09, which could have more ties with Alonso (Honda) or Sainz (Mercedes engine). Also there has been a very "odd" radio silence from Ferrari so far, barely anything is known from their side.

From reddit:
Petronas, which supplies 40% of the grid, opted for biofuels instead of synthetic fuel, and it is rumoured that it has become an average one.
[...]
The problem is that the biofuel from more than a third of the network does not perform as well as its competitors. Synthetic fuels, the second type, have been shown in the laboratory to be more efficient, which can affect performance. With inferior fuel, you drive less, you generate less energy for the battery, and you consume more. They may solve this, or switch to e-fuel, but they seem to be behind schedule.

[peewon]

Im expecting Ferrari and Mercedes PU to be the at the top. They have been ahead of everyone in terms of milestones for developing this PU. Hamilton would have done due diligence before making his move from Mercedes as Mercedes has been rumored to be doing well with the PU for a while now. HRC president said they were struggling but some people believe it was a bit lost in translation. They were still replacing staff that moved on to RBPT and didnt have a full scale PU on the dyno till '24 so I think he knew what he was saying.

My guesses -

good shape: Ferrari

Biofuel holding back a good PU: Mercedes

Lack of info: RBPT

Struggling: Honda and Audi.

[KimiRai]

Who knows indeed. I was mentioning Honda because of this spanish article https://www.motor.es/formula-1/informe- ... .html?s=09, which could have more ties with Alonso (Honda) or Sainz (Mercedes engine). Also there has been a very "odd" radio silence from Ferrari so far, barely anything is known from their side.

From reddit:
Petronas, which supplies 40% of the grid, opted for biofuels instead of synthetic fuel, and it is rumoured that it has become an average one.
[...]
The problem is that the biofuel from more than a third of the network does not perform as well as its competitors. Synthetic fuels, the second type, have been shown in the laboratory to be more efficient, which can affect performance. With inferior fuel, you drive less, you generate less energy for the battery, and you consume more. They may solve this, or switch to e-fuel, but they seem to be behind schedule.

That article also suggests F2 cars could be quicker than F1 down the remaining half of the Monza straight, possible solution is having them burn more fuel but would make fuel tanks bigger and cars to weight more again... Disaster and very grim future if true. No wonder all the recent noise.