2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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How many years has Liam signed for?

If its only a single year contract, it could be that Red Bull wish to keep their options open if they can poach a Piastri or similar from 2026. Especially if they begin to grow concerned that Max may leave early.
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Why on earth would Red Bull want a driver that could challenge Max ? Especially one like Sainz, who has a few races each season that are exceptional. Those races can take points or wins away from Max, and in a close battle could be vital.

Just look at Carlos vs Charles in '24. Charles beat him comfortably in the end, but those few races where Sainz was very good ended up being the difference between 2nd and 3rd in the WDC for Charles, who was finishing the next position behind Sainz in most of those races.

Lawson was probably told to go prove himself this year, show some fire. He did that. For 2025 he will be told to bring the car home safely in the points every race, and he will most likely do just that.

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Waz wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 13:42
Why on earth would Red Bull want a driver that could challenge Max ? Especially one like Sainz, who has a few races each season that are exceptional. Those races can take points or wins away from Max, and in a close battle could be vital.

Just look at Carlos vs Charles in '24. Charles beat him comfortably in the end, but those few races where Sainz was very good ended up being the difference between 2nd and 3rd in the WDC for Charles, who was finishing the next position behind Sainz in most of those races.

Lawson was probably told to go prove himself this year, show some fire. He did that. For 2025 he will be told to bring the car home safely in the points every race, and he will most likely do just that.
2025 is not like year 2024 (early season) or 2023/2022, where RB had advantage on rest of the field. it will be very close between RB/MCL/Ferrari and MB, we can even look at mid field closing up the top 4.
Lawson has much to prove and it will not be easy.

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Waz wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 13:42
Why on earth would Red Bull want a driver that could challenge Max ? Especially one like Sainz,
Because they should have eyes on both championships. 2025 will be super competitive

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chrisc90 wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 13:00
I’d have took Sainz.

I think 99% of people put alongside Max would be destroyed.
Yeah pretty much.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Waz wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 13:42
Why on earth would Red Bull want a driver that could challenge Max ? Especially one like Sainz, who has a few races each season that are exceptional. Those races can take points or wins away from Max, and in a close battle could be vital.

Just look at Carlos vs Charles in '24. Charles beat him comfortably in the end, but those few races where Sainz was very good ended up being the difference between 2nd and 3rd in the WDC for Charles, who was finishing the next position behind Sainz in most of those races.

Lawson was probably told to go prove himself this year, show some fire. He did that. For 2025 he will be told to bring the car home safely in the points every race, and he will most likely do just that.
To be fair, the races where Carlos does well also happen to fall into Max's strengths. If at all anything, I would expect Max to shine even more on precisely the conditions in which Carlos shone over Charles.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Why Lawson is preferred over Tsunoda? He did not prove to be the faster driver.
Another "political" decision. RB is going downward in every aspect.

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restless wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 14:55
Why Lawson is preferred over Tsunoda? He did not prove to be the faster driver.
Another "political" decision. RB is going downward in every aspect.
Most likely because Yuki's place at red bull would never be secure. Honda/amr could come in for Tsunoda at some point and he would want to leave. Potentially in as little as 1-2 years time

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organic wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 15:13
restless wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 14:55
Why Lawson is preferred over Tsunoda? He did not prove to be the faster driver.
Another "political" decision. RB is going downward in every aspect.
Most likely because Yuki's place at red bull would never be secure. Honda/amr could come in for Tsunoda at some point and he would want to leave. Potentially in as little as 1-2 years time
Disagree, and "Potentially in as little as 1-2 years time" is especially wrong in my opinion. Could you elaborate on that? I just can't see it happening.

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f1isgood wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 12:46
Watto wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 07:05
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19 Dec 2024, 06:41


There's only pressure if you want to beat Max. Easier said than done of course. All these guys want to win.

Perez's entire downward spiral started at least as far as I am concerned at Miami last year after that defeat. Sure it may happen to others but if the next driver thinks he'll just walk in and beat Max, it would not likely end well. Or maybe he will keep Max honest and that's still great for the team.

In the end, either you are cut out for a top seat or you are not. Maybe neither of them are. We will know next year.
I am pretty sure Nico Rosberg said something along those lines racing again Lewis. So much natural talent when you find a little weakness/somewhere where you are better than him then he goes to work to fix that weakness in his driving. Something you worked so hard at doing at it seems like its so effortless for him to fix the weakness takes a big mental tole.
Yeah, it is basically very similar if not worse with Verstappen since Verstappen is so much more determined than Hamilton to win every race if possible.

In the end, all these drivers are probably within a few tenths at worst if just asked to drive laps in free air under no pressure. However, confidence and things like that amplify the true pace delta substantially.

I somehow have a good feeling about Lawson doing okay. Let's see what happens.
Agree but I think it was an example of being against Max is more the. Just raw pace it’s a mental toll

On performance I think Yuki deserved a shot but I had big concerns about how he would handle that pressure enemy at Vcarb sometimes it seems to get the better of him let alone doing it against Max.

Lawson has a better chance there I think but the rawness could be a test. We will see I guess.