Spanish GP 2012 - Barcelona

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Kiril Varbanov
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dr_cooke wrote:Any confirmation and/or explanation about te alledged sudden loss of grip reported by ALO some laps before the end of race?
His tires obviously dropped off - a typical characteristic of this year's Pirelli tires. Just at the moment you would expect an attack, you need to back off.

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Kiril Varbanov wrote:
dr_cooke wrote:Any confirmation and/or explanation about te alledged sudden loss of grip reported by ALO some laps before the end of race?
His tires obviously dropped off - a typical characteristic of this year's Pirelli tires. Just at the moment you would expect an attack, you need to back off.

I cannot remember where I read it, but Pat Fry was quoted saying they (we ;-)) would investigate as it had been so sudden

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I can't for the life of me understand how McLaren can still screw pit stops even after causing Lewis to lose a well earned pole. There's something very wrong going on at McLaren...
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dr_cooke wrote:Any confirmation and/or explanation about te alledged sudden loss of grip reported by ALO some laps before the end of race?
The Gazzetta says today that they could not find any cause for what Fernando experienced, so they believe it was the tyres that dropped off.

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Shrieker wrote:I can't for the life of me understand how McLaren can still screw pit stops even after causing Lewis to lose a well earned pole. There's something very wrong going on at McLaren...
That's probably why Lewis only went in twice. Better to lose a few seconds sliding over the track than to enter the gamble that is the McLaren pitstop.

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Haha epic :D =D>
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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
dr_cooke wrote:Any confirmation and/or explanation about te alledged sudden loss of grip reported by ALO some laps before the end of race?
The Gazzetta says today that they could not find any cause for what Fernando experienced, so they believe it was the tyres that dropped off.
Autosprint says that maybe a big marble hit and damaged the rear wing. Remember that Alonso had available only used/lapped hard tyres instead of Maldonado who used new hard tyres.

P.S.: The Italian fans (in motorsport, soccer, basketball...) often use "we" without any problems. Fans & the team are the same thing :D
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What the man needs are eXXtra-hard Pirellis that will allow him to run a no-stopper and stay as far away from the pits as possible 'til the checkered flag. :lol:

Problem is, those are called 'Bridgestones.' :mrgreen:

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italian wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
dr_cooke wrote:Any confirmation and/or explanation about te alledged sudden loss of grip reported by ALO some laps before the end of race?
The Gazzetta says today that they could not find any cause for what Fernando experienced, so they believe it was the tyres that dropped off.
Autosprint says that maybe a big marble hit and damaged the rear wing. Remember that Alonso had available only used/lapped hard tyres instead of Maldonado who used new hard tyres.

P.S.: The Italian fans (in motorsport, soccer, basketball...) often use "we" without any problems. Fans & the team are the same thing:D
fernando's used tyres are not 'used', they are run in constant speed during free practice so that surface of the tyre changes( i don't know details) and to have better characteristics when they are used in race.

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radosav wrote: fernando's used tyres are not 'used', they are run in constant speed during free practice so that surface of the tyre changes( i don't know details) and to have better characteristics when they are used in race.

Adam Cooper's Plus article, he reminds everyone Fernando was on used Hards from Quali after the pitstops whereas Maldonado was on new Hards.

Lap 10
Instead through the second stint the gap came down from 3.4s to 1.4s, Pastor taking full advantage of his first set of new hard tyres, while Alonso had to make do with an ex-qualifying set.


Lap 24
Sure enough when Fernando came in on lap 26 he was still trundling down the pitlane when Maldonado blasted past, having done his part by setting the fastest lap of the race – and he had new hards, while once again Alonso had to make do with used hards

Lap 44
Alonso eventually came in on lap 44 – taking a set of used hards for a third time.


F2012 around Montmelo
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@Italian Thanks mate. I guess the Mods are unaware of how Italian people identify with their teams.

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Is the use of scrubbed tires in a race that detrimental to performance?

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Guys on this forum will know better than me, but the car looked pretty stable on that lap--I'm assuming that was a quali lap (??) so he was pushing...? If so, then would others agree the car looked like it had pretty good traction compaired to the previous races?
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bhallg2k wrote:Is the use of scrubbed tires in a race that detrimental to performance?
I don't think so. I think Cooper is making it out to be more than it really is. The F2012 has proven pretty decent on it's tyres.

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As little as I know about anything, really, I know even less about tires. But, I can't think of any reason in the world why Ferrari would send Alonso out on scrubbed tires three times unless there was a good reason to do so. Otherwise, one is pretty much left to assume that Ferrari somehow grossly mismanaged Ferrari's supply of tires all weekend.

EDIT: Hopefully JT will come around and corrected my ignorance, but I think scrubbed tires sacrifice a bit of outright performance in favor of increased longevity.

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Alonso seemed to be the only front runner using scrubbed tires. Based on the results, I would say that it did not make much difference in overall performance.

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