Monaco GP 2010 - Monte Carlo

[dumrick]

BTW does anyone know why Loewe's turn lost its name, and why it is unnamed now?

Wow, something unrelated with the discussion about the safety car rules...

The hairpin was named after the hotel located on the outside of the turn. The hotel has changed its name from Loewes to Grand Hotel and the turn was renamed accordingly. I have really no clue if the turn is now really unnamed, though.

If you are Brazilian, I'm aware that the Globo commentator decided to not call it by its name this year, that would be an explanation.

[WhiteBlue]

The bloody hotel name changed every year. I guess they have finally got tired renaming the corner. It is an important corner for F1 though because it is the tightest of the year. Perhaps they should call it Hotel corner or the bender.

[Richard]

Marshals waving green flags and green flashing lights don't restart the race in any racing series anywhere in the world, the flagman does.

.. but not in F1. Read the actual F1 rules. No mention of "flagman" or "marshalls", only flags, lights, SC boards and timing screen displays.

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules ... 7/fia.html

[Richard]

The bloody hotel name changed every year. I guess they have finally got tired renaming the corner. It is an important corner for F1 though because it is the tightest of the year. Perhaps they should call it Hotel corner or the bender.

I'm sure I heard Lowes mentioned on the BBC coverage.

[Ray]

Marshals waving green flags and green flashing lights don't restart the race in any racing series anywhere in the world, the flagman does.

.. but not in F1. Read the actual F1 rules. No mention of "flagman" or "marshalls", only flags, lights, SC boards and timing screen displays.

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules ... 7/fia.html

Wrong. If that were true then why do the marshals not have checkered flags to indicate the winner and why have a start/finish line in the first place? Because the flagman indicates if the race is stopped/green/under caustion/ or over. It's been that way since 1950 and in every racing series everywhere in the world. You cannot change the truth. Everyone knows that the flagman is the one that restarts the race, and waves the checkered to end it. He didn't wave the green to restart the race, he waved the checkered to end it. End of story, the race was never restarted and was never cleared for further racing. You can't change the facts or history.

[timbo]

It's interesting how FIA works with Todt, at least I think so.
I would imagine he had a phone call to Norbert and Schuey, excused and kindly asked him to drop the appeal.
Rules would be updated.
Not the worst resolution to all this.

[wesley123]

Marshals waving green flags and green flashing lights don't restart the race in any racing series anywhere in the world, the flagman does.

So when the hell do the drivers know when the track is given clear again? Guess where the flags are for and lights? They were green wich is an indication that the race is going on and that the track is given clear, thus overtaking is allowed again. If it was a mistake then Schuey shouldnt be penalized for it

[WhiteBlue]

It's interesting how FIA works with Todt, at least I think so.
I would imagine he had a phone call to Norbert and Schuey, excused and kindly asked him to drop the appeal.
Rules would be updated.
Not the worst resolution to all this.

A reasonable assumption. One point is a bit off. Merc have only indicated that they would appeal. You have to do that in a very short time to make it stick later. After the initial indication they had until tonight to confirm it, pay and deliver their justification for the appeal. Obviously in between they got something that made them change their mind. I think the appeal plan was a face saver because it would not change the points. Now that they have the FiA agree to a rule clarification they got their face saver by different means.

[hollus]

It is still casually called Loews (or whatever the spelling) in Spain, an the RTL also talked of Loews several times during the race.
You can rename the corner, but it is difficult to get rid of Folklore.

[timbo]

If it was a mistake then Schuey shouldnt be penalized for it

No.
This is exactly why disciplinary decisions are not subject to an appeal.
There's no "shouldn't", even if there was a mistake on the side of stewards.

Interestingly, one can argue that since the rule 40.13 can't result in drive-thru anyway (it deals with a race finish) it might be viewed as different. However, it is clear that the rules would be improved.

[hollus]

...End of discussion for me...

Then, please, stop discussing it. Same goes for all the other guys that insist it is clear as water, there are no other interpretations, and, my favourite one, "period". No word can kill a discussion like "period".
If you are going to keep discussing it, please, at least acknowledge other's points of view as potentially valid.

[timbo]

Obviously in between they got something that made them change their mind.

I think this speaks volumes

Whilst we cannot be happy with the outcome, we are pleased that the FIA has recognised the reasons for our interpretation.

Who has the power to deliver FIA's official reaction without any public statement?

[CMSMJ1]

So, was here a race discussion in all that tripe?

Jesus wept!

A shame to see so much fanboi crap and never ending bickering. Anyone on here actually over 16 yrs old?

Without griping on legality I thought the MS pass was the highlight of the race - cheeky and very clever...until the rules beat him.

Webber nailed it - good lad.

Di Grassi is looking like a liability...seems like I've not seen anything of him in all the footage I've watched this year and when I do get to see him he is making nasty shapes with that Virgin in the tunnel!!

[WhiteBlue]

One totally different thing I observed during the race weekend. There was a lot of slipping and sliding. I cannot remember that it has been that extreme in the past. It seems to indicate that Monaco generates the right amount of downforce to give the drivers a real task in car control.

Why is this happening at a slow track where engine power does not count so much and drag isn't much of an issue? I would love to see such behavior also at faster tracks which probably means that cutting downforce mightily is the right way to go.

[WhiteBlue]

Di Grassi is looking like a liability...seems like I've not seen anything of him in all the footage I've watched this year and when I do get to see him he is making nasty shapes with that Virgin in the tunnel!!

I was impressed by the way he defended against Alonso. He gave his team some much needed airtime and made Alonso do some work for his position gains. When I saw Di Grassi versus Alonso it became clear what a hand full the Virgin actually still is. That car must be a truck aerodynamically compared to the Ferrari.