2013 Japanese GP - Suzuka

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Normalized for the track, the RedBull is a comfortable 8 tenths faster than their closest rival right now.
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beelsebob wrote:The Sky commentators stated that red bull had asserted that SV's KERS was indeed working for his second run.
Well this was not the case. Horner confirmed that none of the Q3 laps were done with KERS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PHxSgBvDIU

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Even the season isn't finished yet, some conclusions could be taken so far ...
So until the summer break or (until the tyre switch) RBR philosophy was to be the lowest in speed trap, hence a high downforce setup in order to have less tyre degradation but manageable tyre ware.
Now since the tyre switch also their philosophy changed and they used since Spa a ultra low RW and all of a sudden they toped all the speed traps each race, once their tyre degradation wasn’t anymore a problem and also once they found a way to increase their diffuser volume hence downforce.

Now the same story could be applied to Merc although in reverse RBR mode: fastest in the first part of the season and now one of the slowest in the speed traps …
The reason? To minimize the rear tyre degradation here and in Korea their setup was also with a high downforce in mind, this time just to preserve the right front tyre :


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CHT wrote:Vettel has always been better than webber when comes to managing tires, so he shouldnt have problem passing Webber tomorrow unless he has got issue with KERS.
Not easy to overtake at Suzuka especially given the top speed advantage that Webber has, and Webber may be given the preference on strategy (in terms of who gets the undercut) because he is ahead on track. Vettel's best chance is the start.

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Was the speed trap before or after the 130R?

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McMrocks wrote:Was the speed trap before or after the 130R?
before
Gerhard Berger wrote:
CHT wrote:Vettel has always been better than webber when comes to managing tires, so he shouldnt have problem passing Webber tomorrow unless he has got issue with KERS.
Not easy to overtake at Suzuka especially given the top speed advantage that Webber has, and Webber may be given the preference on strategy (in terms of who gets the undercut) because he is ahead on track. Vettel's best chance is the start.
Agreed. And though no one has outdragged the poleman into T1 since 2000, I'm backing Vettel to do just that tomorrow.
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dxpetrov wrote:
beelsebob wrote:The Sky commentators stated that red bull had asserted that SV's KERS was indeed working for his second run.
Well this was not the case. Horner confirmed that none of the Q3 laps were done with KERS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PHxSgBvDIU
Webber had no KERS either it seemed. When he talked to Hamilton near the scales it looked like he said he "could not use" KERS.
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raymondu999 wrote:
McMrocks wrote:Was the speed trap before or after the 130R?
before
No, it's just after 130R.
Source: http://www.formula1.com/races/in_detail ... agram.html
SectorOne wrote: Webber had no KERS either it seemed. When he talked to Hamilton near the scales it looked like he said he "could not use" KERS.
He was clearly talking about vettel.

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atanatizante wrote:Even the season isn't finished yet, some conclusions could be taken so far ...
So until the summer break or (until the tyre switch) RBR philosophy was to be the lowest in speed trap, hence a high downforce setup in order to have less tyre degradation but manageable tyre ware.
Now since the tyre switch also their philosophy changed and they used since Spa a ultra low RW and all of a sudden they toped all the speed traps each race, once their tyre degradation wasn’t anymore a problem and also once they found a way to increase their diffuser volume hence downforce.

Now the same story could be applied to Merc although in reverse RBR mode: fastest in the first part of the season and now one of the slowest in the speed traps …
The reason? To minimize the rear tyre degradation here and in Korea their setup was also with a high downforce in mind, this time just to preserve the right front tyre :


http://i.imgur.com/KKB3El3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AxuYbBZ.jpg

can you please tell me where can I find these data? or exact link would be perfect :) I mean speed trap for Suzuka 2013

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McMrocks wrote:Was the speed trap before or after the 130R?


According to formula1.com it's after :

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It's kinda funny coz before 130R they have the highest speed of this track, isn't it?
Maybe they lose some speed after the turn ...
But wasn't the speed trap just before the T1 in previous years?
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...
can you please tell me where can I find these data? or exact link would be perfect :) I mean speed trap for Suzuka 2013
Gladly ...
http://www.fia.com/championship/fia-for ... nformation
... then click on the pull down menu at the right of TIMING INFORMATION and select whatever info you like ...
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Handshake after qualifying.

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lol :lol:
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Was Raikkonen planning to do another timed lab at the very end? He just missed it by 2 seconds or so. His time was slower than what he did in q2.

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Funny how this year Merc are going slower to do a quicker lap where Red Bull have gone the opposite direction..

They will always lose out in a race situation if they continue with this strategy.