2024 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort, Aug 23 - 25

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Tvetovnato wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 12:19
That fans have to suffer due to a driver’s low quality is annoying to say the least.
Yeah unfortunately you could say that about 4 or 5 drivers to be honest. For a championship touted as the best in the world you'd expect the drivers to be the best in the world, and yet they aren't.

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is there a support race or pratice after FP3? surprised they didnt extend the session

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the annoying thing about F1/FOM/FIA is they never extend sessions. Teams spend millions and fans travel to show up for a weekend and a 1hr session that is cut to 35mins and is essentially useless doesn't get a full 1hr running. A 1hr session should be 1hr of actual action. Shame on F1.

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ispano6 wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 12:41
the annoying thing about F1/FOM/FIA is they never extend sessions. Teams spend millions and fans travel to show up for a weekend and a 1hr session that is cut to 35mins and is essentially useless doesn't get a full 1hr running. A 1hr session should be 1hr of actual action. Shame on F1.
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Hello guys, i too had a long break from F1 and didn't realize that the dutch GP is this weekend until someone reminded me (I was under the impression it was on the last weekend of august).

Anyway, didn't watch any of the FPs and there is no meaningful data from the timing sheets ; as I came to know that apart from a few minutes in FP2, rest of all the three sessions were wet/red flags etc, and there are engine mode games as well - so the scope for 'derived from data' info is very less I assume.

Hence my Q is to those who actually watched the inboards and outboards in the FPs - which top four car 'looks' horrible and which one 'looks' nailed on ? Redbull/Ferrai and McLaren/Mercedes ?
Particularly, how does Sector2 look for the teams ? Whichever driver/car nails down sector 2 (coming out of 3-4-5, some proper sweepers 7-8-9-10 with their inherent elevation changes, all the way until the big braking for T10. This 7-8-9-10 is the 'driver's contribution' part of the ckt, where subtle differences in the lines chosen can gain/cost many chunks of time.
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venkyhere wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 13:13
Hello guys, i too had a long break from F1 and didn't realize that the dutch GP is this weekend until someone reminded me (I was under the impression it was on the last weekend of august).

Anyway, didn't watch any of the FPs and there is no meaningful data from the timing sheets as I understand that apart from a few minutes in FP2, rest of all the three sessions were wet/red flags etc, and there are engine mode games as well - so the scope for 'derived from data' info is very less I assume.

Hence my Q is to those who actually watched the inboards and outboards in the FPs - which top four car 'looks' horrible and which one 'looks' nailed on ? Redbull and McLaren ? OR Ferrari and Mercedes ?
Particularly, how does Sector2 look for the teams ? Whichever driver/car nails down sector 2 (coming out of 3-4-5, some proper sweepers 7-8-9-10 with their inherent elevation changes, all the way until the big braking for T10. This 7-8-9-10 is the 'driver's contribution' part of the ckt, where subtle differences in the lines chosen can gain/cost many chunks of time.
Ferrari bad especially s2, Merc/McLaren/RB hard to separate but advantage McLaren based on the long run. RB good in high speed, Mcl/Merc are good in low speed

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Luscion wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 12:34
is there a support race or pratice after FP3? surprised they didnt extend the session
Just the Porsche’s and the F1 Academy W Series replacement. Unless there’s some local stuff that’s not on the main timetable.

I don’t see any reason why the session couldn’t be extended. I suspect it’s part of the move to give the teams less running “spice things up…”

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Logan is on fire after the summer break! Vowles made a very big mistake signing Carlos!
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Mogster wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 13:30
Luscion wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 12:34
is there a support race or pratice after FP3? surprised they didnt extend the session
Just the Porsche’s and the F1 Academy W Series replacement. Unless there’s some local stuff that’s not on the main timetable.

I don’t see any reason why the session couldn’t be extended. I suspect it’s part of the move to give the teams less running “spice things up…”
rules require 2 hours between FP3 and Qualifying, but that would still leave half an hour of room.

Personally, I can't remember any practice extension to have happened ever before, though.

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Mogster wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 13:30
Luscion wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 12:34
is there a support race or pratice after FP3? surprised they didnt extend the session
Just the Porsche’s and the F1 Academy W Series replacement. Unless there’s some local stuff that’s not on the main timetable.

I don’t see any reason why the session couldn’t be extended. I suspect it’s part of the move to give the teams less running “spice things up…”
No F2 and no local serie, so it's the Porsches and F1 acadamy.

I also don't understand why they didn't stop the times, haven't checked it but there should be sufficient time to at least extend with a quarte of an hour.

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TNTHead wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 14:08
Mogster wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 13:30
Luscion wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 12:34
is there a support race or pratice after FP3? surprised they didnt extend the session
Just the Porsche’s and the F1 Academy W Series replacement. Unless there’s some local stuff that’s not on the main timetable.

I don’t see any reason why the session couldn’t be extended. I suspect it’s part of the move to give the teams less running “spice things up…”
No F2 and no local serie, so it's the Porsches and F1 acadamy.

I also don't understand why they didn't stop the times, haven't checked it but there should be sufficient time to at least extend with a quarte of an hour.
The clock stops only during qualy if there's a red flag

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kenshi_blind wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 14:43
TNTHead wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 14:08
Mogster wrote:
24 Aug 2024, 13:30


Just the Porsche’s and the F1 Academy W Series replacement. Unless there’s some local stuff that’s not on the main timetable.

I don’t see any reason why the session couldn’t be extended. I suspect it’s part of the move to give the teams less running “spice things up…”
No F2 and no local serie, so it's the Porsches and F1 acadamy.

I also don't understand why they didn't stop the times, haven't checked it but there should be sufficient time to at least extend with a quarte of an hour.
The clock stops only during qualy if there's a red flag
Yes, but why? Understandable if there is a tight schedule but if there is time, why can’t they be flexible and stop the time in practice too?

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Track is very slow currently

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wow Ferrari is slow

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Gyro cam really shows off the extreme cambers