Red Bull exceed fuel flow limit, Ricciardo DSQ at Australian GP

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turbof1 wrote:We'll see what the view of the judges is.

(I do expect everyone to behave whatever the decision is. Disagreeing is fine, but no bickering.)
Should interesting to say the least!
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Red Bull lost the appeal.

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Holm86 wrote:Red Bull lost the appeal.
Source?
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djos wrote:
Holm86 wrote:Red Bull lost the appeal.
Source?
My twitter is bombed with people saying so.


http://www.fia.com/international-court- ... april-2014
The following hearing of the International Court of Appeal took place in Paris on Monday 14 April 2014:

Appeal lodged by the Österreichischer Automobil-Motorrad und Touring Club – Oberste Nationale Sportkommission für den Motorsport (ÖAMTC-OSK) on behalf of its licence-holder Infiniti Red Bull Racing against the decision N°56 dated 16 March 2014 of the FIA Stewards of the 2014 Australian Grand Prix counting towards the 2014 FIA Formula One World Championship

On 16 March 2014 the panel of the stewards decided to exclude car N°3 (driver Daniel Ricciardo) from the results of the race as it was found to be not in compliance with the Technical Regulations (the Technical Delegate reported to the Stewards that car N°3 exceeded the required fuel mass flow of 100kg/h).

On 20 March 2014, the Österreichischer Automobil-Motorrad und Touring Club – Oberste Nationale Sportkommission für den Motorsport (ÖAMTC-OSK) on behalf of its licence-holder, Infiniti Red Bull Racing, decided to appeal this decision before the International Court of Appeal

Decision of the International Court of Appeal

The Court, after having heard the parties and examined their submissions, decided to uphold the Decision N°56 of the Stewards by which they decided to exclude Infiniti Red Bull Racing’s car N°3 from the results of the 2014 Australian Grand Prix.

The International Court of Appeal was presided over by Mr Harry DUIJM (Netherlands), and included Mr Rui BOTICA SANTOS (Portugal), Mr Philippe NARMINO (Monaco), Mr Antonio RIGOZZI (Switzerland) and Mr Jan STOVICEK (Czech Republic).

The full decision will be available on the website by the end of the week.
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me too

edit: so no further punishment?
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It was the only option frankly.

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After reading yesterdays live ticker on AMuS it is no surprise Red Bull Lost.
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Yes they cheated , not that hard like mercedes last year, but cheated

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heidenreich27 wrote:Yes they cheated , not that hard like mercedes last year, but cheated
....really.....? The merc thing was a complete grey area though and as such Merc virtually picked there own punishment. This is completely different and is not just about cheating, this is about a team believing there essentially better than the rule makers.

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The only decision available to the FIA. You cannot have the teams defining their own methods of measurement.

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it was always going to happen. As you say you can't have a team defining there own methods, you can't have a team picking and choosing which directives they want to follow and you can't have a team deliberately ignoring FIA orders

Red Bull had to be put back in line and us such I will be disappointed if there is no other punishment beyond the DQ in Aus

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I think the DQ was enough. My understanding is that RB followed the FIA measurements at the other 2 races, if they hadn't I would expect a bigger punishment.

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heidenreich27 wrote:Yes they cheated , not that hard like mercedes last year, but cheated
Mercedes didn't cheat. They took advantage of an FIA who over complicate rules and do not understand them themselves.

Red Bull broke a rule after being ask several times to remedy the situation during the GP. They had a chance and they chose not to take it. Dreadfully sorry for the innocent Ricciardo, but Red Bull could really expect no other outcome.
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Last warning. I see accusations of cheating yet nobody has even seen the motivation, which will be made public at the end of the week. Until then I definitely don't want anymore talk about cheating.
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