Similar to our own Baku upgrade.
Similar to our own Baku upgrade.
I agree.mwillems wrote: ↑16 Oct 2023, 14:09The car looks fairly well rounded and did well at three tracks that offer different challenges, including Singapore which also has several low speed corners and a few high speed corners. Like Singapore this is a bumpy track also. I don't see Austin offering anything too challenging for the Mclaren but Mercedes will be an unknown, I expect Ferrari to be fast here and we will see how RB manage these bumps. I'd imagine worst case is we can look at top 6 or 8 and best case we can be in with a chance to take the win.
Allison has said there will be a small laptime gain.
The gain is relative to how they would have performed at this track. Not sure how quick they are here yet Is all.CjC wrote: ↑16 Oct 2023, 20:02Allison has said there will be a small laptime gain.
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/jame ... x-upgrade/
That’s the second article I’ve read him say it now.
Merc aren’t that far off Mclaren so a small amount of laptime will at least put them on a par with McLaren- if not ahead.
It was also mentioned that the Toyota Cologne tunnel cannot simulate yaw very well. That would make sense considering a common trait among the McLaren cars for the last 5 years seem to be a weak mid corner front end. Consistently losing time on long corners. Especially 2018 where the front tyres were too close to the front of the floor so in any turn there was a lot of dirty air hitting the floor.mwillems wrote: ↑17 Oct 2023, 19:29This comes next year, I believe, and relates to the mechanical aspect of how the car interacts with the tyres and the road.
I had seen previously some comments from Stella saying that these tyres have some behaviour that is very difficult to replicate in the cologne wind tunnel and that this is why it has been very difficult to deal with it, and to which I believe it refers to the deformation of the tyres.
Edit: I guess that it is now possible in the new wind tunnel.
What is also encouraging is that, despite following the Red Bull concept, the engineers understand what each part does and why it's supposed to do that, they understand the design of the concept, unlike some other British teams (The one owned by a daddy).trinidefender wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 11:31It was also mentioned that the Toyota Cologne tunnel cannot simulate yaw very well. That would make sense considering a common trait among the McLaren cars for the last 5 years seem to be a weak mid corner front end. Consistently losing time on long corners. Especially 2018 where the front tyres were too close to the front of the floor so in any turn there was a lot of dirty air hitting the floor.mwillems wrote: ↑17 Oct 2023, 19:29This comes next year, I believe, and relates to the mechanical aspect of how the car interacts with the tyres and the road.
I had seen previously some comments from Stella saying that these tyres have some behaviour that is very difficult to replicate in the cologne wind tunnel and that this is why it has been very difficult to deal with it, and to which I believe it refers to the deformation of the tyres.
Edit: I guess that it is now possible in the new wind tunnel.
If that is true then it tracks with the tunnel not being able to simulate yaw well.
Secondly and, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't there an issue where the Cologne tunnel cannot run full 60% models in it?
James Key had said a while back that the team had actually considered some of the concepts that ended up being more successful, but ended up going the conservative route. So it's likely some level of R&D had already been done, meaning they weren't exactly starting from zero when the switched philosophies.K1Plus wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 11:35What is also encouraging is that, despite following the Red Bull concept, the engineers understand what each part does and why it's supposed to do that, they understand the design of the concept, unlike some other British teams (The one owned by a daddy).trinidefender wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 11:31It was also mentioned that the Toyota Cologne tunnel cannot simulate yaw very well. That would make sense considering a common trait among the McLaren cars for the last 5 years seem to be a weak mid corner front end. Consistently losing time on long corners. Especially 2018 where the front tyres were too close to the front of the floor so in any turn there was a lot of dirty air hitting the floor.mwillems wrote: ↑17 Oct 2023, 19:29This comes next year, I believe, and relates to the mechanical aspect of how the car interacts with the tyres and the road.
I had seen previously some comments from Stella saying that these tyres have some behaviour that is very difficult to replicate in the cologne wind tunnel and that this is why it has been very difficult to deal with it, and to which I believe it refers to the deformation of the tyres.
Edit: I guess that it is now possible in the new wind tunnel.
If that is true then it tracks with the tunnel not being able to simulate yaw well.
Secondly and, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't there an issue where the Cologne tunnel cannot run full 60% models in it?
No you're not wrong on both counts. Good recall, he had also mentioned the yaw of the car in the past, you're right, and they struggled with models over 50% in the tunnel. Will look for some links later.trinidefender wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 11:31It was also mentioned that the Toyota Cologne tunnel cannot simulate yaw very well. That would make sense considering a common trait among the McLaren cars for the last 5 years seem to be a weak mid corner front end. Consistently losing time on long corners. Especially 2018 where the front tyres were too close to the front of the floor so in any turn there was a lot of dirty air hitting the floor.mwillems wrote: ↑17 Oct 2023, 19:29This comes next year, I believe, and relates to the mechanical aspect of how the car interacts with the tyres and the road.
I had seen previously some comments from Stella saying that these tyres have some behaviour that is very difficult to replicate in the cologne wind tunnel and that this is why it has been very difficult to deal with it, and to which I believe it refers to the deformation of the tyres.
Edit: I guess that it is now possible in the new wind tunnel.
If that is true then it tracks with the tunnel not being able to simulate yaw well.
Secondly and, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't there an issue where the Cologne tunnel cannot run full 60% models in it?
I'd seen talk of the new Simulator which is helping them set the car up better, something else to bear in mind. So I knew this was up along with the tunnel. I'm going to have a read of the article and see if it mentions the composites manufacturing facility.CjC wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 13:26Last paragraph seems to suggest the all new infrastructure is online?
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/stel ... /10534069/