He’s certainly backing up what the other guy said in the article I was querying my post before yoursBMMR61 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2024, 22:23Autosport's JBL teases that McLaren have concentrated their upgrade efforts towards second half of the 2024 season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYeos8TwZI
Every time McLaren arrive with major upgrades they work effectively and noticeably so. Is the long awaited new wind tunnel proving to be the hero of McLaren's surge to the top?
Winning in Monza and Azerbaijan will be highly unlikely in my opinion unless the new update coming for Monza is mustard.Macklaren wrote: ↑27 Aug 2024, 22:27i fully acknowledge that this is premature BUT....Lando said in the post race press conf that he thinks he would have won in Zandvoort even without the latest upgrade. We have seen that a car that was last updated in Miami was still very competitive until the summer break. If McL win in Monza and Azerbaijan by a large margin, the team should think about holding back remaining upgrades until 2025 so as to not tip our hand for next year's car. and also use 2025 wind tunnel time (which will be lower because we finish P1/P2 in WCC this year) for the '26 regs? Save some budgt cap money too?
I think there's always a danger in playing the underachiever in order to get more wind tunnel concessions, as tempting as it may be. The pursuit of success should always be the first aim, and if more performance from the MCL38 can bring an (unlikely) WDC then it should at this point still be left open. As it is the WCC has to be the goal with the last time McLaren achieved this being in the days of Mika and DC. The 'weapon' that McLaren has is best correlation and understanding producing the best all round package on the grid. This will be valuable in providing direction in the design of the MCL39. They should continue to strive for both championships until it's all but impossible.Macklaren wrote: ↑27 Aug 2024, 22:27i fully acknowledge that this is premature BUT....Lando said in the post race press conf that he thinks he would have won in Zandvoort even without the latest upgrade. We have seen that a car that was last updated in Miami was still very competitive until the summer break. If McL win in Monza and Azerbaijan by a large margin, the team should think about holding back remaining upgrades until 2025 so as to not tip our hand for next year's car. and also use 2025 wind tunnel time (which will be lower because we finish P1/P2 in WCC this year) for the '26 regs? Save some budgt cap money too?
I completely agree. While developments bring a boost in speed and stability, it is necessary to bring them while the budget allows. The higher the speed, the easier it is to win and build a strategy for the race. And with all the accumulated experience, in 2025 you can build a chassis based on 2024. The worst thing is to start playing a giveaway with rivals. And then you see Ferrari and Mercedes will bring another package of updates and McLaren's victories may become unattainable, or Red Bull will cope with the difficulties.BMMR61 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2024, 05:38I think there's always a danger in playing the underachiever in order to get more wind tunnel concessions, as tempting as it may be. The pursuit of success should always be the first aim, and if more performance from the MCL38 can bring an (unlikely) WDC then it should at this point still be left open. As it is the WCC has to be the goal with the last time McLaren achieved this being in the days of Mika and DC. The 'weapon' that McLaren has is best correlation and understanding producing the best all round package on the grid. This will be valuable in providing direction in the design of the MCL39. They should continue to strive for both championships until it's all but impossible.Macklaren wrote: ↑27 Aug 2024, 22:27i fully acknowledge that this is premature BUT....Lando said in the post race press conf that he thinks he would have won in Zandvoort even without the latest upgrade. We have seen that a car that was last updated in Miami was still very competitive until the summer break. If McL win in Monza and Azerbaijan by a large margin, the team should think about holding back remaining upgrades until 2025 so as to not tip our hand for next year's car. and also use 2025 wind tunnel time (which will be lower because we finish P1/P2 in WCC this year) for the '26 regs? Save some budgt cap money too?
Can we have a repeat win this weekend? Wait, how about a repeat of the 2021 Monza result?
And every time McLaren brought a major performance upgrade this year (Miami and Zandvoort) Lando wonBMMR61 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2024, 22:23Autosport's JBL teases that McLaren have concentrated their upgrade efforts towards second half of the 2024 season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYeos8TwZI
Every time McLaren arrive with major upgrades they work effectively and noticeably so. Is the long awaited new wind tunnel proving to be the hero of McLaren's surge to the top?
Quite interesting tidbit of info by JBL. Could be a way to keep higher wind tunnel allowance? Or just a way for Marshall to be able to properly give his input on the development.BMMR61 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2024, 22:23Autosport's JBL teases that McLaren have concentrated their upgrade efforts towards second half of the 2024 season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYeos8TwZI
Every time McLaren arrive with major upgrades they work effectively and noticeably so. Is the long awaited new wind tunnel proving to be the hero of McLaren's surge to the top?
There is no point in holding back upgrades for the '24 car if they improve performance, which will help them win the constructors. I expect McLaren will be able to carry over a lot of components from the '24 car into the '25 car. Given McLaren's wind tunnel looks like it's performing very well, the restricted time might not be a hinderance for McLaren. The regulations are stable, so evolution rather than revolution is the way McLaren is probably going.Macklaren wrote: ↑27 Aug 2024, 22:27i fully acknowledge that this is premature BUT....Lando said in the post race press conf that he thinks he would have won in Zandvoort even without the latest upgrade. We have seen that a car that was last updated in Miami was still very competitive until the summer break. If McL win in Monza and Azerbaijan by a large margin, the team should think about holding back remaining upgrades until 2025 so as to not tip our hand for next year's car. and also use 2025 wind tunnel time (which will be lower because we finish P1/P2 in WCC this year) for the '26 regs? Save some budgt cap money too?
There is some, you can't run too low to the ground due to turn 1 and the chicane, for instance.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑28 Aug 2024, 13:59Question about Monza. Does Monza require kerb riding? I am no expert but I do think they ride a lot of kerbs in some corners. Would that work against Red Bull?
