2012 US GP - Circuit of the Americas

[Juzh]

So what you're saying is that BUT on 20 laps younger, softer tyres was slower than HAM? Just to be clear on that.

I know he posted purple multiple times during his second stint when he got out of pits, and not so much towards the end of the race. Every single detail i really do not remember.

Ah, "I don't remember", the classic excuse of people who know history is not in their favour.

I made my point clear, and i aint gonna argue about it anymore until you post some facts to prove me incorrect.

[WhiteBlue]

So in the end it was kartekeyan yet again that costs red bull points. More obivous blocking is hard to get.

Yeah, the curse of the cucomber. lol

[beelsebob]

I know he posted purple multiple times during his second stint when he got out of pits, and not so much towards the end of the race. Every single detail i really do not remember.

Ah, "I don't remember", the classic excuse of people who know history is not in their favour.

I made my point clear, and i aint gonna argue about it anymore until you post some facts to prove me incorrect.

Fair enough, I'll leave it at that, given that you clearly have no argument left.

[LionKing]

Championship. Both Alonso and Hamilton have clearly driven better this year. Vettel has merely been in the quickest, most reliable car.

Alonso had the most reliable car and McLaren had the faster more often than Red Bull...

[Gerhard Berger]

So in the end it was kartekeyan yet again that costs red bull points. More obivous blocking is hard to get.

Kartekeyan's incident in Abu Dhabi with Rosberg brought out the safety car that helped Vettel gain places. It's all swings and roundabouts.

What places? he pitted during safety car and came out last again. He didnt gain a single place.

but was on fresher tyres after the restart, managed to change his broken front wing and lost only around 9 seconds to those around him (as opposed to the 20 seconds you usually lose in a pit stop that is not under the safety car).

[beelsebob]

Championship. Both Alonso and Hamilton have clearly driven better this year. Vettel has merely been in the quickest, most reliable car.

Alonso had the most reliable car and McLaren had the faster more often than Red Bull...

Sure, Alonso's had the most reliable car, but also by far slower than the RBR.

And again, sure, Hamilton's had the faster car than Vet most of the time, but again, by far less reliable. As we've covered before on this forum, Hamilton's lost close to 150 points due to unreliability this year; 220 if you include people taking him out.

[Juzh]

Well, Vettel won more races than anybody else this year, so even though I'm rooting for Alonso and praying for a miracle, I don't see how anybody can suggest that Vettel doesn't deserve it. For the most part he has been great this year.

It's just that Alonso has transcended mere 'great' and gone to 'insanely great' this year, so for me he is the moral victor, even if he doesn't bag it in Brazil.

The way anyone can suggest Vettel doesn't deserve it is simple. It's the World Drivers Championship. Both Alonso and Hamilton have clearly driven better this year. Vettel has merely been in the quickest, most reliable car.

Fasest? reliability? You're kidding right? At the start of the season mclaren was clearly the fastest car.It wasnt until japan red bull was the fastest of the field, but got cought up by mclaren in abu dhabi. Most reliable car of the seasson is ferrari. vettel lost garaunteed win in valencia and a 4/5th place in monza with alternator jokes. Webber also retired just this race, did you forget that already? Not to mention constant kers problems all over the season.

[WhiteBlue]

Great race, congrats to Lewis, and the WDC decision comes down to Brazil. =D>

So, guys, Seb's complaint apparently was because of Nairain blocking him, not Lewis' pass. Some around here should feel bad now ... :-"

You sure about that.

The official line now is that it was about Nairain, but he was complaining about Lewis being too close on the radio with his stupid pass.

I'm sure. You were on the wrong track. The complaint was all the time about blocking. You simply misinterpreted it.

[beelsebob]

Well, Vettel won more races than anybody else this year, so even though I'm rooting for Alonso and praying for a miracle, I don't see how anybody can suggest that Vettel doesn't deserve it. For the most part he has been great this year.

It's just that Alonso has transcended mere 'great' and gone to 'insanely great' this year, so for me he is the moral victor, even if he doesn't bag it in Brazil.

The way anyone can suggest Vettel doesn't deserve it is simple. It's the World Drivers Championship. Both Alonso and Hamilton have clearly driven better this year. Vettel has merely been in the quickest, most reliable car.

Fasest? reliability? You're kidding right? At the start of the season mclaren was clearly the fastest car.It wasnt until japan red bull was the fastest of the field, but got cought up by mclaren in abu dhabi. Most reliable car of the seasson is ferrari. vettel lost garaunteed win in valencia and a 4/5th place in monza with alternator jokes. Webber also retired just this race, did you forget that already? Not to mention constant kers problems all over the season.

As I said above – Both Alonso and Hamilton have lost far more than vettel due to either car pace, or unreliability. Hamilton would be near enough 100 points in the clear at the head of the championship if he'd had a car as reliable as Vettel; 150 if he'd not been taken out by people on a couple of occasions.

[Lurk]

The way anyone can suggest Vettel doesn't deserve it is simple. It's the World Drivers Championship. Both Alonso and Hamilton have clearly driven better this year. Vettel has merely been in the quickest, most reliable car.

most reliable? more than the McLaren for sure, but less than the Ferrari (but faster too and way faster since a few races).

+1 about the drivers, even if Alonso was a little of this race



edit: nevermind..

[WhiteBlue]

I just cannot believe those reliability problems Red Bull is having. Another KERS and alternator failure. They could be pissing away the WDC unless they will have a bullet proof car for Vettel in Interlagos.

[Juzh]

Fair enough, I'll leave it at that, given that you clearly have no argument left.

classic troll. It seems you are the one with no arguments. otherwise feel free to present them.

[NathanOlder]

Fasest? reliability? You're kidding right? At the start of the season mclaren was clearly the fastest car.It wasnt until japan red bull was the fastest of the field, but got cought up by mclaren in abu dhabi. Most reliable car of the seasson is ferrari. vettel lost garaunteed win in valencia and a 4/5th place in monza with alternator jokes. Webber also retired just this race, did you forget that already? Not to mention constant kers problems all over the season.

Dont worry Beelsebob, what ever car was fastest, If it was Red Bull, Lewis did amazing. If it was Mclaren, It just backs Alonso's claim up, that Vettel cant win if he hasnt got the fastest car. Either way, It puts Vettel down

[beelsebob]

I just cannot believe those reliability problems Red Bull is having. Another KERS and alternator failure. They could be pissing away the WDC unless they will have a bullet proof car for Vettel in Interlagos.

Agreed, Webber has had the most horrifically unreliable car this year. Almost as bad as Hamilton's.

[beelsebob]

Fasest? reliability? You're kidding right? At the start of the season mclaren was clearly the fastest car.It wasnt until japan red bull was the fastest of the field, but got cought up by mclaren in abu dhabi. Most reliable car of the seasson is ferrari. vettel lost garaunteed win in valencia and a 4/5th place in monza with alternator jokes. Webber also retired just this race, did you forget that already? Not to mention constant kers problems all over the season.

Dont worry Beelsebob, what ever car was fastest, If it was Red Bull, Lewis did amazing. If it was Mclaren, It just backs Alonso's claim up, that Vettel cant win if he hasnt got the fastest car. Either way, It puts Vettel down

Heh, you made me giggle... In a good way.