2012 US GP - Circuit of the Americas

[Juzh]

As I said above – Both Alonso and Hamilton have lost far more than vettel due to either car pace, or unreliability. Hamilton would be near enough 100 points in the clear at the head of the championship if he'd had a car as reliable as Vettel; 150 if he'd not been taken out by people on a couple of occasions.

Hamilton is a whole new story, we're talking about alo/vet who are still in championship. Alosno hadnt had reliability dnf for like 40 races in a row? more maybe?

[Shrieker]

That was a nail biter. Thank you very much Lewis Hamilton !Farewell win to McLaren...

Some people's fetish on VET/HAM/ALO triple podium is fulfilled at long last

[beelsebob]

As I said above – Both Alonso and Hamilton have lost far more than vettel due to either car pace, or unreliability. Hamilton would be near enough 100 points in the clear at the head of the championship if he'd had a car as reliable as Vettel; 150 if he'd not been taken out by people on a couple of occasions.

Hamilton is a whole new story, we're talking about alo/vet who are still in championship. Alosno hadnt had reliability dnf for like 40 races in a row? more maybe?

But has had a car slower than the RBR in every single race this year on pure pace.

[Gerhard Berger]

Great race, congrats to Lewis, and the WDC decision comes down to Brazil. =D>

So, guys, Seb's complaint apparently was because of Nairain blocking him, not Lewis' pass. Some around here should feel bad now ... :-"

You sure about that.

The official line now is that it was about Nairain, but he was complaining about Lewis being too close on the radio with his stupid pass.

I'm sure. You were on the wrong track. The complaint was all the time about blocking. You simply misinterpreted it.

I imagine the tight packaging at the rear (which helps the speed) has something to do with it.

[Intego]

Last lap:
Vettel 1:39.347 (fastest lap)
Massa 1:39.402
Alonso 1:39.672

So this F2012 is so damn slow?

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

As I said above – Both Alonso and Hamilton have lost far more than vettel due to either car pace, or unreliability. Hamilton would be near enough 100 points in the clear at the head of the championship if he'd had a car as reliable as Vettel; 150 if he'd not been taken out by people on a couple of occasions.

Hamilton is a whole new story, we're talking about alo/vet who are still in championship. Alosno hadnt had reliability dnf for like 40 races in a row? more maybe?

The last reliability DNF for Alonso with Ferrari was at Malaysia 2010, engine problem. It was the first one and the last one until now.

Massa had a gearbox problem last year.

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

Last lap:
Vettel 1:39.347 (fastest lap)
Massa 1:39.402
Alonso 1:39.672

So this F2012 is so damn slow?

Alonso was damn slow today. I think Massa had the pace to fight with Vettel and Hamilton.

[turbof1]

As I said above – Both Alonso and Hamilton have lost far more than vettel due to either car pace, or unreliability. Hamilton would be near enough 100 points in the clear at the head of the championship if he'd had a car as reliable as Vettel; 150 if he'd not been taken out by people on a couple of occasions.

That would be far less if you would count unbiased and thus also count what Vettel lost due unreliability. Not withstanding, Hamilton indeed had tons of bad luck this year.
I think Hamilton would overall be the better driver this year, but you don't do Vettel the honor he does deserve.

[raymondu999]

So... Combos for Brazil in which Alonso can win are:

1. ALO Wins. VET no higher than 5th.
2. ALO second. VET no higher than 9th.

Otherwise VET wins the WDC.

I've posted the complete list for your viewing pleasure in the Interlagos race thread.

Last lap:
Vettel 1:39.347 (fastest lap)
Massa 1:39.402
Alonso 1:39.672

So this F2012 is so damn slow?

Looking at those numbers, the "peak" pace during the race was pretty much equal. But for this race - I think it's crucial that Alonso was holding back a long time - or was saving tyres. or somesuch. Or maybe he was getting slightly tired of constantly pushing and just felt that he'd like a nice Sunday drive.

[vall]

As much as I don't like him, I must say Lewis has had excellent year and he has matured a lot. Without the reliability issues he could have won it this year. Also, had Alonso not been take out twice, the WDC would look quite differently now.

[Gerhard Berger]

Last lap:
Vettel 1:39.347 (fastest lap)
Massa 1:39.402
Alonso 1:39.672

So this F2012 is so damn slow?

That is just 1 lap (out of a 56 lap race). From the timing, it is clear that the Ferrari took some time to heat up the tyres and struggled to CONSISTENTLY set times similar to Vettel and Hamilton.

[beelsebob]

As I said above – Both Alonso and Hamilton have lost far more than vettel due to either car pace, or unreliability. Hamilton would be near enough 100 points in the clear at the head of the championship if he'd had a car as reliable as Vettel; 150 if he'd not been taken out by people on a couple of occasions.

That would be far less if you would count unbiased and thus also count what Vettel lost due unreliability. Not withstanding, Hamilton indeed had tons of bad luck this year.
I think Hamilton would overall be the better driver this year, but you don't do Vettel the honor he does deserve.

The count back mentioned did indeed involve what Vettel lost too. It included losing 25 in Valencia; and has subsequently involved losing 25 in Abu Dhabi; but gaining a good 10 too due to safety cars.

[Juzh]

As I said above – Both Alonso and Hamilton have lost far more than vettel due to either car pace, or unreliability. Hamilton would be near enough 100 points in the clear at the head of the championship if he'd had a car as reliable as Vettel; 150 if he'd not been taken out by people on a couple of occasions.

Hamilton is a whole new story, we're talking about alo/vet who are still in championship. Alosno hadnt had reliability dnf for like 40 races in a row? more maybe?

But has had a car slower than the RBR in every single race this year on pure pace.

He is also the man who bagged the most points on misfortune of others. Fast car is no of no use to you if it cant finnish the race.

[NathanOlder]

Vettel did his fastest lap in the dirty air behind Lewis. He would have been faster than this for sure 100%

[turbof1]

As I said above – Both Alonso and Hamilton have lost far more than vettel due to either car pace, or unreliability. Hamilton would be near enough 100 points in the clear at the head of the championship if he'd had a car as reliable as Vettel; 150 if he'd not been taken out by people on a couple of occasions.

That would be far less if you would count unbiased and thus also count what Vettel lost due unreliability. Not withstanding, Hamilton indeed had tons of bad luck this year.
I think Hamilton would overall be the better driver this year, but you don't do Vettel the honor he does deserve.

The count back mentioned did indeed involve what Vettel lost too. It included losing 25 in Valencia; and has subsequently involved losing 25 in Abu Dhabi; but gaining a good 10 too due to safety cars.

You forget alot of things there mate; remember italy, just as an example?
Counting back is never a good idea anyway. It would assume the car didn't had the problems, but this also influences other drivers their points. It is simply impossible to get it accurate. I think it is better to say Hamilton lost alot more points then Vettel due errors which didn't involve the driver, without getting into numbers which in retrospect will end up with a very complicated calculation and even with if's and or's.