2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Anyone who writes that Tsunoda deserved a place in Red Bull, can say why he deserved it? Maybe a few outstanding races in his performance, some incredible breakthroughs, overtakings that take your breath away? It is obvious that Tsunoda has been in F1 for so long not for his merits as an outstanding driver, but for the money that Honda pays. Otherwise, he would not have driven a season in the Red Bull system. I also do not see other teams lining up for him.

Liam should have been given the opportunity to drive at least a quarter of the season. #-o

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I expect Yuki's Honda engine will be in full party mode for the weekend, let's see if it survives. O:)
Allegedly Honda is paying Red Bull an extra $10 million for the swap.

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CHT wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 12:23
KimiRai wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 11:42
Max liked this post critisizing the decision to remove Lawson

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnCZr--WwAA ... name=large
Perhaps Max should try to make the RB21 more drivable for his teammate
You suggest Max should build the car himself?

Max is like Schumacher. So absurdly good that he can't give great feedback, because he simply makes the car work in spite of the issues.

The result is a car that can only be driven by superhuman freaks of nature. Max likely doesn't even realize that the car is undriveable until well after it has become awful. While Perez was going out in Q1 in the RB 19, Max was completely dominating every race.

For Max, the car kept getting better until well after it became awful for a more normal F1 driver.

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_cerber1 wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 12:32
Anyone who writes that Tsunoda deserved a place in Red Bull, can say why he deserved it? Maybe a few outstanding races in his performance, some incredible breakthroughs, overtakings that take your breath away? It is obvious that Tsunoda has been in F1 for so long not for his merits as an outstanding driver, but for the money that Honda pays. Otherwise, he would not have driven a season in the Red Bull system. I also do not see other teams lining up for him.

Liam should have been given the opportunity to drive at least a quarter of the season. #-o
Because Yuki is fast, consistent and has comprehensively beaten all of his teammates except for a much more experienced Gasly?

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CHT wrote:
KimiRai wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 11:42
Max liked this post critisizing the decision to remove Lawson

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnCZr--WwAA ... name=large
Perhaps Max should try to make the RB21 more drivable for his teammate
So Max is doing engineering too?

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FNTC wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 12:32
I expect Yuki's Honda engine will be in full party mode for the weekend, let's see if it survives. O:)
Allegedly Honda is paying Red Bull an extra $10 million for the swap.
I'd doubt that after Honda coming out publicly and saying Tsunoda is now a big boy and on his own before the season started.
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Red Bull driver lineups (first half of 2025). :lol:

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kc_f1 wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 11:41
What a sh*t show. I hope Yuki performs, and if he doesn't then Horner and Marko better be replaced
There's really no downside to it since Lawson was dong so poor. Either Tsunoda does equally bad or perhaps better.
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Good luck to Yuki and Liam.

The collective moral panic within the British press is embarrassing. Lawson has been demoted... to F1! To a competitive team that can reach Q3 and score points on any given weekend, where the pressure is less, your teammate is worse, and the car is easier to handle. Both Gasly and Albon got demoted from RBR and have had great F1 careers afterwards. Liam will have the same opportunity if he performs, nothing is over for him yet.

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Cs98 wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 13:24
Good luck to Yuki and Liam.

The collective moral panic within the British press is embarrassing. Lawson has been demoted... to F1! To a competitive team that can reach Q3 and score points on any given weekend, where the pressure is less, your teammate is worse, and the car is easier to handle. Both Gasly and Albon got demoted from RBR and have had great F1 careers afterwards. Liam will have the same opportunity if he performs, nothing is over for him yet.
I agree with you on this topic. I felt Albon was quite pacey in RB but without the guile (if that's the right description) to enact a latent skill.
Gasly too, in both now seeming to understand what exactly it is that allows them to bring their pace and skill set to F1 in race scenario in successful deployment.
We aren't privy to conversation with LL possibly he can see the larger picture with pressure to perform etc in such an observed seat with everything that entails. A little space now and time to quietly (relatively) get on with it can help his career in rounding out his acquired driving skills from previous cars.

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Cs98 wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 13:24
Good luck to Yuki and Liam.

The collective moral panic within the British press is embarrassing. Lawson has been demoted... to F1! To a competitive team that can reach Q3 and score points on any given weekend, where the pressure is less, your teammate is worse, and the car is easier to handle. Both Gasly and Albon got demoted from RBR and have had great F1 careers afterwards. Liam will have the same opportunity if he performs, nothing is over for him yet.
Red Bull can never win. If they had promoted Yuki and he hadn't performed you would see articles about how Lawson close enough and had higher potential. It's as you rightly put, embarrassing.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Very curious how this continues. The good thing could be that Tsunoda can give feedback on the difference in drivability between the RedBull en RacingBull car, and the same goes for Lawson the other way around.

Since the characterics of the car are baked in the chosen concept the drivability issues are probably not solvable this season, but may the can increase the drivability a bit to the point Tsunado can live with it.

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Go YUKI!

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Vettel165 wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 13:20
Red Bull driver lineups (first half of 2025). :lol:

https://postimg.cc/HVRWFsZ0
You are missing Coulthard. I think it was last seasons Drive to Survive, where Horner said to him, he would do better than Perez. So I would see him as one of the most realistic options.
Farnborough wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 13:37
I agree with you on this topic. I felt Albon was quite pacey in RB but without the guile (if that's the right description) to enact a latent skill.
I still wonder what problem they have with past drivers, not even naming them as options. Sainz, Albon...both are definitely showing good operation and are up for purchase, Willi will surely not tango like Briatore...
f1isgood wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 13:38
Red Bull can never win. If they had promoted Yuki and he hadn't performed you would see articles about how Lawson close enough and had higher potential. It's as you rightly put, embarrassing.
I still think Lawson had the potential. He simply looks "not in shape". Might have been the same with Yuki...Yuki also just started to get physically and especially psychologically in shape once they very clearly told him "this is not enough".
We should not forget, that we are dealing with "Millennials"....
TNTHead wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 13:47
Very curious how this continues. The good thing could be that Tsunoda can give feedback on the difference in drivability between the RedBull en RacingBull car, and the same goes for Lawson the other way around.
Well, I would have sold the driver swap on this point. Find our if these drivers can give feedback by switching the cars. Sold it as temporary and if Yuki really performs better just forget to swap back.
Don`t russel the hamster!

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FNTC wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 12:32
I expect Yuki's Honda engine will be in full party mode for the weekend, let's see if it survives. O:)
I was wondering about this too. Do you guys think this is even possible with the current PU to "sacrifice" it for a single GP? This would give Yuki the best chance of a good result in Japan for his home crowd. This would have several benefits:

* Good publicity for Yuki and Red Bull's decision to switch drivers
* Good information for Honda in case they want to do the same with Verstappen later in the season if needed
* Useful information about the wear on the engine that can perhaps result in a slightly higher base setting for all Grands Prix