Canadian GP 2011 - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve

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For argument sake, I screen capped a few screenshots of the Alonso-Button accident.

For me – Button was ahead right up to the breaking zone. It was clearly Button's corner, and he deffinately shouldn't be penalised.

Then explain how come JB's front tire hit Alonso's rare

listen to Alonso's engine revs on the onboard footage as button is next to him at the braking zone, I remember he actually speeds up a bit to get ahead at the apex imho

[andartop]

One could say that Vettel can't race because he only wins from pole.

(Or that Vettel always sticks it on pole when the car is good enough...)

One could say that Hamilton is the best racer since he overtakes more than anyone else (unless he crashes into them that is).

(Or that he is the worst qualifier ever since he proves in the race how much faster that car could go...)

Either way, I'm not going to get dragged into this.

I thought Vettel did a fine job until he made a mistake.

In today's race, under these conditions, I can't remember many drivers being faultless.

(That includes even the commentators; Brundle didn't know his Di Resta from his De la Rosa today..)

[vall]

For me – Button was ahead right up to the breaking zone. It was clearly Button's corner, and he deffinately shouldn't be penalised.

Then explain how come JB's front tire hit Alonso's rare

Uhhh... because Alonso carried more speed into the corner?

compare with Alonso - Kubica last year: Fred cut the chicane to avoid the crash, even though Alonso was ahead of Bob. On the opposite, Button kept driving as Alosno was not there at all, even though Alsonso was clearly ahead and a Merc in front to complicate things even further.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

[vall]

For me – Button was ahead right up to the breaking zone. It was clearly Button's corner, and he deffinately shouldn't be penalised.

Then explain how come JB's front tire hit Alonso's rare

listen to Alonso's engine revs on the onboard footage as button is next to him at the braking zone, I remember he actually speeds up a bit to get ahead at the apex imho

and what is wrong with that?

[andrew]

and what is wrong with that?

Nothing until you cut across your opponents bows.

[zeph]

Say what you will, Vettel can qualify like nobody's business. If you're always ahead there's not much need for overtaking.

I do know that he and RBR haven't put a foot wrong so far, and that is a different kind of skill. One that is essential to winning.

[Paul]

He had a broken suspension upright and a bent drive shaft according to Ted Kravitz.

Did he give a source? For me the car looked pretty intact apart from the tyre, and Hamilton also didn't seem to find a fault after he got out of the car.

[Princey]

He had a broken suspension upright and a bent drive shaft according to Ted Kravitz.

Did he give a source? For me the car looked pretty intact apart from the tyre, and Hamilton also didn't seem to find a fault after he got out of the car.

Lewis gave it the old used car kick test.

[andrew]

He had a broken suspension upright and a bent drive shaft according to Ted Kravitz.

Did he give a source? For me the car looked pretty intact apart from the tyre, and Hamilton also didn't seem to find a fault after he got out of the car.

I thought the side of the rear left looking backwards was a big clue.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

So you're comparing different cars? Apples and oranges.

Um yes Andrew, comparing different cars is pretty much the raison d etre of this site. As is comparing what works on these car's with what doesnt. F1Technical

I have given you my explanation, kindly supplied with pictures.
Now if you could counter that with your own explanation(with pictures if it is so obvious) then I will sit down and study it.

Until then Mercedes were running a fat rear wing, which gave them added rear downforce, compared to all those around them bar McLaren....so more downforce = covering for the eventuality of rain. No one could run a full wet set up and make Q3, but Mclaren and Mercedes did cover their bases by adding downforce.

[Alexgtt]

For argument sake, I screen capped a few screenshots of the Alonso-Button accident.

For me – Button was ahead right up to the breaking zone. It was clearly Button's corner, and he deffinately shouldn't be penalised.

Then explain how come JB's front tire hit Alonso's rare

So is Button expected to just drive off track to avoid contact with a driver who over-cooked it into the corner and then turned in on him, as Alonso clearly did? Button was already perfectly apexed, on the racing line and his right wheels where already on the curb. Where could he go?

[forty-two]

First Gents, apologies for my absence from this forum (although some of you might have been pleased about that ) but anyway...

Wow what an amazing race. Thank you Formula 1, you took 5.5 hours of my life, and made up for it in the last 20 minutes or so.

As for penalties, I don't think Button deserves any further penalty. The guy already made 6 visits to the pits (one of which was a drive through). I think his driving was only half a notch down from perfect. Literally the best drive I've seen in years if not ever.

Wierdly, I found myself wishing for a Schumacher podium too (not something you'll hear me say very often!) but was very glad to see Webber on the podium (the only F1 driver to tell it like it is about Bahrain apart from anything else.).

Did anyone else see the daggers Vettel gave Webber during the post race press conference? I forget exactly what Webber said, but it was not exactly in Vettel's favour.

Did anyone else notice JB taking the p*ss out of "mr finger" on the podium? Cracked me up!

I expect the stewards will see fit to take the win away from Button, and it makes me wonder what Vettel must have in reserve (a compromising picture of Jean Todt and a Donkey or something?).

As for Lewis, I love watching him race, but I think the guy needs the moderating effect of his dad in his life. He needs someone who's on his side to tell him that he's a great driver, but he needs to wind his neck in just a tad, otherwise he's gonna get peed off and leave F1 forever which I think would be bad for all fans of F1.

[beelsebob]

compare with Alonso - Kubica last year: Fred cut the chicane to avoid the crash, even though Alonso was ahead of Bob. On the opposite, Button kept driving as Alosno was not there at all, even though Alsonso was clearly ahead and a Merc in front to complicate things even further.

You think this is clearly ahead?


Also, the merc in front makes it even more Button's corner – it's a good overtaking strategy to force someone to break behind a slower competitor – it stops them from out braking you so easily.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]