2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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bananapeel23 wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 12:48

Because Yuki is fast, consistent and has comprehensively beaten all of his teammates except for a much more experienced Gasly?
Agree. Anyone who has followed F1 for decades will see that Liam's short 11 race tenure was too early compared to the experience Yuki has gained driving sub optimal cars. The current Vcarb is one Yuki helped develop, and barring mistakes, has been faster than his previous teammates since Gasly. Listening to Yukis recent onboards shows he is much more situationally aware (acutely aware Stroll is on hard tires, hasn't pitted, and still keeping pace), and if you watch how he uses his tools via the steering wheel, knows where to use them. He even questioned why the team asked to change modes when the one he was in was better (for tire life). He could also tell Haas' pace was strong from looking at his mirrors. This is evidence of a driver who has matured to the point he has extra capacity to factor it in.
The decision to put LL in over Yuki was wrong to begin with though I can commend Horner and Marko for making the call to correct the situation. The Japanese RBPT PU engineers have a driver who can provide feedback in their native tongue. Even if this puts Yuki in a tough spot, with the pressure to perform at his home race, this makes everyone in the Red Bull Honda camp satisfied. They have a driver that can provide immediate comparison feedback. What others feel about the swap is not relevant.
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_cerber1 wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 12:32
Anyone who writes that Tsunoda deserved a place in Red Bull, can say why he deserved it? Maybe a few outstanding races in his performance, some incredible breakthroughs, overtakings that take your breath away? It is obvious that Tsunoda has been in F1 for so long not for his merits as an outstanding driver, but for the money that Honda pays. Otherwise, he would not have driven a season in the Red Bull system. I also do not see other teams lining up for him.

Liam should have been given the opportunity to drive at least a quarter of the season. #-o
I think so many people have weak memories. Tsunoda has already shown incredible pace, and a very hot head. Since then, his head seems to be a bit cooler, his pace is still there, but he is completely destroyed by unbelievably bad strategy decisions from his team, almost every single weekend.

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Lawson will outqualify Tsunoda in Suzuka. Can't wait to see Horner's and Marko's faces on camera.

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Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 16:03
Lawson will outqualify Tsunoda in Suzuka. Can't wait to see Horner's and Marko's faces on camera.
Gap between VCARB and Max in first 2 round qualifications:

Australia: 2 tenths
China: 2.5 tenths.

If Yuki is within 2.6 tenths of Max driving the same car, that is great. It doesn’t matter where Liam qualified in a Racing Bull. Red Bull would be ecstatic.
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AR3-GP wrote:
Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 16:03
Lawson will outqualify Tsunoda in Suzuka. Can't wait to see Horner's and Marko's faces on camera.
So what if he does? Gap between VCARB and Max in first 2 round qualifications:

Australia: 2 tenths
China: 2.5 tenths.

If Yuki is within 2.5 tenths of Max driving the same car, that is great. That also doesn’t take away from the fact that the Racing Bill has been a great car this year and the Red Bull not.

If you weren’t so focused on mocking everything, then you could see that what matters more is Yuki making Q3, not where Liam qualifies. If another fast car (a racing bill) still outqualifies him in Q3, then that’s just because they have a fast car. He’s still done massively better than what Lawson did before.
Chill. I'm not mocking. Just saying that Red Bull car is so hard to handle like Max said that Lawson would be quicker at VCARB. So Tsunoda trying to handle Red Bull car, Lawson will be comfortable in VCARB.

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Suzuka 2025 now has the possibility of being a 1991 LeMans moment in Japan.

I'm praying for a miracle for Yuki...

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Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 16:03
Lawson will outqualify Tsunoda in Suzuka. Can't wait to see Horner's and Marko's faces on camera.
Harjar may out qualify both. Then it would indicate that the RB21 is only tamable by the incredible Max Verstappen or that Yuki needs more time to acclimate. Good that he has all of FP1 though FP3 at Suzuka barring no PU issues. I think Honda probably will be extra vigilant to not let that happen.

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ispano6 wrote:
Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 16:03
Lawson will outqualify Tsunoda in Suzuka. Can't wait to see Horner's and Marko's faces on camera.
Harjar may out qualify both. Then it would indicate that the RB21 is only tamable by the incredible Max Verstappen or that Yuki needs more time to acclimate. Good that he has all of FP1 though FP3 at Suzuka barring no PU issues. I think Honda probably will be extra vigilant to not let that happen.
Yuki will going to have the time, rest of the season. Red Bull can't sack twice in one season.

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Question about PU allocations: Does the allocation follow the driver or car? I assume the latter. I ask because Yuki took a new PU last week at China, I assume that stays with the VCARB/RB car and doesn't follow him to Red Bull. Not the engine itself but the fact that his count is at 2 instead of 1.
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The car, regardless of the driver.

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KimiRai wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 11:42
Max liked this post critisizing the decision to remove Lawson

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnCZr--WwAA ... name=large
He should criticize his team for their unforgiving culture. They could be like everyone else and allow their rookies to develop in midfield teams, or give them a lot of TPC, but they purposely put the rookies in high pressure sink or swim situations to see if they're generational talents. They must expect a fallout as 1 in 10 people will be able to succeed.
Liam should sue the team for misguidance. He was always going to drink the coolaid of them thinking he was ready for the big leagues. But these modern cars and the pirellis need time to learn. That only comes with seat time.
Even Max himself had seasons in Torro Rosso to learn before jumping into a Redbull, and that was when the cars did not have ground effects and weigh a ton.

Yuki will do better than Lawson, and it wont be because of talent. It will be because of experience and understanding the formula and how the increasingly sensitive Pirellis work. The same could not be said of Perez, who was in his prime in a previous generation of car and simply had to adapt and relearn to understand ground effect cars. Yuki's advantage is his youth and his experience. He will be out of Q1 and into Q3 I am certain (provided the team don't mess up the strategy).

What I expect to see is:
1. The myth of the redbull being this alien difficult car to be dispelled, as a young fast and experience driver will be in the second car to bring things into perspective.
2. Yuki pressuring Max, and possibly outqualifying him in Suzuka.
3. Yuki also possibly crashing because of the spotlight at his home race.
4. Max giving interesting feedback about the car not being good enough.

Another opportunity for redbull is to delay their Ford Engine till 2027, or even the 2028 V10 engine, if Honda agrees to stay with them provided Yuki stays in the second seat for 2026.
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Unless this year gets a miraculous turn around that makes Max a serious competitor for the WDC, I highly doubt he'll be with RBR next year tbh.
And if that happens, RBR will be in shambles. Let's hope Yuki can create some smiles, should have been the guy for this year anyways ..
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langedweil wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 17:32
Unless this year gets a miraculous turn around that makes Max a serious competitor for the WDC, I highly doubt he'll be with RBR next year tbh.
And if that happens, RBR will be in shambles. Let's hope Yuki can create some smiles, should have been the guy for this year anyways ..
Max and Yuki should go to Aston Martin if things get really out of hand, and I said Aston Martin for Max and not Mercedes, it's because: 1, You have Newey and 2, Honda is their as well.

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SB15 wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 19:19
langedweil wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 17:32
Unless this year gets a miraculous turn around that makes Max a serious competitor for the WDC, I highly doubt he'll be with RBR next year tbh.
And if that happens, RBR will be in shambles. Let's hope Yuki can create some smiles, should have been the guy for this year anyways ..
Max and Yuki should go to Aston Martin if things get really out of hand, and I said Aston Martin for Max and not Mercedes, it's because: 1, You have Newey and 2, Honda is their as well.
Newey will take years to have a positive effect, if he even will have one.