Why no pneumatic jacks on F1 cars?

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Why no pneumatic jacks on F1 cars?

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? Can someone explain why F1 uses manual level jacks with jackmen instead of pneumatic jack systems. It would seem to me that the pneumatic system would be safer and more people out of the mix and same with safety. it being it takes out in the open.Is it a weight issue?

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These cars don't have onboard starters let alone pneumatic jacks! :)

But yes, I presume it's a weight issue along with packaging. The side pods and rear end are already full to the brim, so anything that can be had outside of the car is outside of the car.
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Re: Why no pneumatic jacks on F1 cars?

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i think it because of the rule and the tradition. rule specified that jack can only operated manually and it a old tradition of have a jackmen and a lollipop guy in F1 pit stop.
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Re: Why no pneumatic jacks on F1 cars?

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the pnuematic jack would not be that heavy, plus IMO it would be safer than the current manuel jackmen,

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It's not a tradition. There were pneumatic jacks in F1 in the past, for example McLaren in 80's. Now it is forbidden by the rules:
F1 Sporting Regulations wrote:23.1 c) Powered devices which assist in lifting any part of a car are forbidden in the pit lane during a race.

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sorry, my mistake. didn't know that McLaren run a pneumatic jack before.
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forbidden by the rules.....

urgh sometimes i am sick and tired of the "rules"

in a sport like formula 1 where perfomrance is key, it is pretty sad that such things as pneumatic jacks and re-fueling are banned.

they say that running a car on a full tank is "greener" because they dont have to ship the refueling rigs between races, but surely the new machines they transport must weigh at least 50% of the old, as well as the fact that the energy required to start / stop / move the full tanks of fuel is more than whats required to move a partial load.

And dont get me started on moveable aero...

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Re: Why no pneumatic jacks on F1 cars?

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Overall effeciency is my guess as to why it´s still there.
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I don't see any advantage of pneumatic jack. F1 is light, they seem to operate manual ones as fast as the pneumatic would work and since traditional jack is a simple lever there's less to go wrong with it.

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I think refuelling should have been banned. It was pretty dangerous with the pressurized rigs. Drivers leaving the box with the hose attached (which happened quite a lot) spraying fuel everywhere while there are hot tyres, brakes and cars in the pitlane was a recipe for disaster. And considering the distances they travel, not lugging around the fuel rigs probably saves a lot more fuel than, say, electric power only in the pit lane.

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Presumably atm, they only really need a fat man with a funnel to fuel the cars?

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One has to admit, that for a series the prides itself on being so high tech and cutting edge, to rely on such a primitive device does seem just plain wrong.
In fact I think a couple of teams do run pneumatic jacks,,just not on-board.
At least the manual version is foolproof.
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Re: Why no pneumatic jacks on F1 cars?

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The jacks are spring loaded not pneumatic. And they only work once before they need to be reset.

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Ahhhhhh thanx
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strad wrote:One has to admit, that for a series the prides itself on being so high tech and cutting edge, to rely on such a primitive device does seem just plain wrong.
In fact I think a couple of teams do run pneumatic jacks,,just not on-board.
At least the manual version is foolproof.
Does it really though?

Now they have a system that can send the car up in the air just as fast but that doesn´t weigh anything. Surely that is the most cutting edge way you can possibly get?
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