Why don't lock tyres?

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raymondu999
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Why don't lock tyres?

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A friend just asked me - if you were braking flat out - versus if you were braking and locked your tyres - why would it not be a quicker braking?

My answer (though I admit I wasn't 100% convinced of it! :lol: ) was that when you locked the tyres - the contact patch, relative to the road - had dynamic friction; and when the tyre is still rolling; the contact patch was having static friction to the road - and static friction is always greater IIRC.

Was I right? *crosses fingers*
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Kiril Varbanov
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Pure physics - kinetic friction vs. static friction.

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This picture answers it very easily:
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To generate maximum longitudinal force you need, in that specific case, around 5% slip. That would mean that the tires has to go 5% slower than the car's actual speed. The only way for a tire to generate force is with slip, hence it goes through (0,0) in the graph.


The real question would be why does the curve has that shape. If I'm don't remember wrong, in the book tires suspension and handling there's a simple tire model. It look like lots of springs in the contact patch that stretch. So maximum force would be when all those imaginary springs are stretched - in a slipping condition. In that model the curve would remain flat and never drop. Dixon mentions dropping due to tire over-heating among others which I really can't remember.

Maybe JT can drop some light on to some of the reasons why tire lose force when fully locked.
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It is not flat because the generation of forces at the footprint is not Coulomb friction, which is often the only dry friction model taught in high school and undergraduate physics courses.
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Hi everyone!

You have explained the most important aspect of the matter, but I want to highlight a curious thing about this.

In the December 2011 issue of RaceCar Engineering, Mark Ortiz explains that, when front wheels are locked, downforce falls down: "It is worth noting that in a ground effects car, if we lock the wheels in braking, not only are we breaking traction at the contact patches, but losing downforce as well".
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roller wrote:Hi everyone!

You have explained the most important aspect of the matter, but I want to highlight a curious thing about this.

In the December 2011 issue of RaceCar Engineering, Mark Ortiz explains that, when front wheels are locked, downforce falls down: "It is worth noting that in a ground effects car, if we lock the wheels in braking, not only are we breaking traction at the contact patches, but losing downforce as well".
That is because locked front wheels do not decellerate the car as well as unlocked wheels. The car therefore does not squat down at the front through weight transfer and more air gets into the underbody disrupting the ground effect.
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roller wrote:Hi everyone!

You have explained the most important aspect of the matter, but I want to highlight a curious thing about this.

In the December 2011 issue of RaceCar Engineering, Mark Ortiz explains that, when front wheels are locked, downforce falls down: "It is worth noting that in a ground effects car, if we lock the wheels in braking, not only are we breaking traction at the contact patches, but losing downforce as well".
Yes: because a locked tyre has a wider tyre squirt - a wider wake that ruins flow near the ground.
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