Could the RBR dominance slip up next year?

[Hovepeter]

Hey guys!

Do you think the redbull cars would as dominant next year, as they have been the past years?

I have heard that the most of their pace is coming from their coanda exhaust, which will be nearly impossible to use next year. At the same time the aerodynamics, isn't the only thing you can get your pace on next year, but also the engine and the ERS system, wich will probably mean that the Ferrari and the mercedes car I gonna have an advantage on the engine front.

What do you guys think? Would we see a much more equal race next year?

[Jersey Tom]

Impossible to speculate I think.

HI have heard that the most of their pace is coming from their coanda exhaust, which will be nearly impossible to use next year.

Let's say that is hypothetically the case. Who is to say they aren't already developing the "next big thing" of aero, engine, chassis, or suspension on their 2014 car?

All teams will be beavering away on substantial updates for 2014 cars I would think, entirely possible RBR will stay ahead of the curve... also possible some other player will shuffle things around.

[Rikhart]

If you have followed the last few years, the ruling body have tried year after year to ban red bulls strong points, and still they emerge on top. They have the best technical team basically, so even if they aren´t strong from the start, you can bet they will climb to the top pretty soon.

[Steven]

I would go as far saying that only the rumoured excess power of the Mercedes engine could spoil the party for Red Bull. They have got the strongest team, and Newey does have an excellent history of designing new cars over regulation changes, and coming out on top.

Just remember 1998 when the cars became narrower. The McLarens found themselves almost in a different league in the first race of the season.

Additionally, the team do have a great wind tunnel, no correlation problems and the biggest pockets, so they'll just copy when needs to be copied if it would happen that they're somewhat on the backfoot in the first races.

[timbo]

I would go as far saying that only the rumoured excess power of the Mercedes engine could spoil the party for Red Bull. They have got the strongest team, and Newey does have an excellent history of designing new cars over regulation changes, and coming out on top.

Just remember 1998 when the cars became narrower. The McLarens found themselves almost in a different league in the first race of the season.

While all of is has merit, I would point to the beginning of the last year. The RBR would not be able to use engine-blowing which they relied on greatly, without it they do not have as clear cut advantange. They are also not the best in tyre understanding (they do catch up over time), although next year it might not be a big factor.

Additionally, the team do have a great wind tunnel, no correlation problems and the biggest pockets, so they'll just copy when needs to be copied if it would happen that they're somewhat on the backfoot in the first races.

Agreed, they are expected to be in the pack or catch up anyway.

[Hovepeter]

I just think it must be a little setback for red bull, when the coanda is gonna be illegal. It's gonna be a chance for Ferrari, and lotus to get back in the race for the championship, especially because Ferrari makes their own engine and can adapt it to their car instead of the other way around

[xpensive]

I'm not so certain about this, if you consider Shell's vast lab resources to Petronas', where the former can literally pick together their juice molecule per molecule, paired with a fired-up Alonso and a James Allison in the pits, I wouldn't be surprised to see a red rocket next year.

[krisfx]

I just think it must be a little setback for red bull, when the coanda is gonna be illegal. It's gonna be a chance for Ferrari, and lotus to get back in the race for the championship, especially because Ferrari makes their own engine and can adapt it to their car instead of the other way around

Isn't Red Bull practically the Renault factory team now? I heard that somewhere at least. I agree Ferrari will be quick to catch up with the lack of coanda

[Hovepeter]

I just think it must be a little setback for red bull, when the coanda is gonna be illegal. It's gonna be a chance for Ferrari, and lotus to get back in the race for the championship, especially because Ferrari makes their own engine and can adapt it to their car instead of the other way around

Isn't Red Bull practically the Renault factory team now? I heard that somewhere at least. I agree Ferrari will be quick to catch up with the lack of coanda

Ehmm i have heard i top gear, in the Raikkonen interview that it was Lotus? It could have changed since

[anzx]

Lotus = ex. Renault, so Lotus's factory is in Enstone like it was Renault's.. same people same building only "new owners" .. . But I think the Renault's engines will be the best for next season, well they are the most expensive... I think 25 milion € for a season, then Mercedes's engine is around 20 milion € and the Ferrari's is the cheapest around 18 milion €, so it's a massive difference, and Renault has to be pretty sure in their engines, to charge them so much more...

[WhiteBlue]

I don't believe in miracle fuels and not in Ferrari either. I think it will be between Red Bull and Mercedes next year. Red bull will be fast but fragile as is tradition with Newey.

[xpensive]

The privilege with speculating is that you do not have to believe, the sheer understanding that the energy content from the usual Aral gas-pump can vary +/-5%, is quite enough to get an engineer xcited enough to elaborate on the possibilities ahead.

The knowledge that Alonso is there is another one, a man of magics if you ask me, kinda Prostish really, other drivers makes mistakes, this guy don't.

[rssh]

I would go as far saying that only the rumoured excess power of the Mercedes engine could spoil the party for Red Bull. They have got the strongest team, and Newey does have an excellent history of designing new cars over regulation changes, and coming out on top.

Just remember 1998 when the cars became narrower. The McLarens found themselves almost in a different league in the first race of the season.

While all of is has merit, I would point to the beginning of the last year. The RBR would not be able to use engine-blowing which they relied on greatly, without it they do not have as clear cut advantange. They are also not the best in tyre understanding (they do catch up over time), although next year it might not be a big factor.

Redbull have always been the best team which understands tyres IMO it has excellent balance between heat generation in qualy to preserving them in the race. Lotus seems to be excellent in tyre wear but in qualy or cool condition they never managed a good lap. Ferrari had good degradation of soft tyres in 2011 but they couldn't get heat into hard/mediums in qualy.

[timbo]

I don't believe in miracle fuels and not in Ferrari either. I think it will be between Red Bull and Mercedes next year. Red bull will be fast but fragile as is tradition with Newey.

Well, you don't believe in Ferrari for how many years already? Yet it is still in the pack.

[xpensive]

I don't believe in miracle fuels and not in Ferrari either. I think it will be between Red Bull and Mercedes next year. Red bull will be fast but fragile as is tradition with Newey.

Well, you don't believe in Ferrari for how many years already? Yet it is still in the pack.

Perhaps that began with a non-german driver in the red team, just thinking?