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The gap between the top and mid-field teams is far too wide; they have 3-4 times more financial support... there must be some sort of regulations for this
The gap between the top and mid-field teams is far too wide; they have 3-4 times more financial support... there must be some sort of regulations for this
No rule will fix this. All Formula racing is like this, doesn't mater if cars, boats etc. The only way to get "closer" racing is to go to a one design style of racing class. If formula one starts introducing all kinds of spec parts, I think it will kill the sport.
I really doubt those numbers, especially sponsorship seems rather low. Only 37,5M for Philip Morris? I really doubt that for such a big company that literally owns the livery. Also 2M for Ray Ban, which is pretty large on the car seems rather low.
And Bwt seems really low as well. I can remember reading something about how Etihad&Aldar 'only' paid 8M for the title sponsorship.
I suppose times are changing, but tabacco sponsorship had significantly larger sponsorship payments than any of the sponsors present in the charts
Many numbers here are wrong, The McLaren one is somewhat accurate tho. McLaren are getting many new or returning sponsors to F1 next year, Zac Brown has already patched up the €100m breach of Honda, as well as getting a €50m severance to the Honda deal on performance reasons. Williams are getting €35m from Martini, and €50m from Stroll. BVT is worth double that for Force India. Also Haas is getting money from other sources for Magnussen and have also excluded Bell and other partner level sponsors, probably an extra €8M here. Red Bull and Toro Rosso are broadly correct, maybe out by €5m tops here.
As for Ferrari, The Phillip Morris deal is worth €220m a year, as they then take the money from their advertisers and act as their marketing agent, they have 2 attached to the race team that have vinyl machines for sponsors to change positions on the car.
Ferrari and Mercedes budgets here also include their engine departments, Renault Sport F1 does not, so take $150m off each of those for the chassis budget for Mercedes and Ferrari, add this for Renault Sport F1.
As for customer teams, their price varies, Force India pay just €10m where as Williams pay €22m. Red Bull pay €25m, Toro Rosso pay €19m but are always a half spec behind Red Bull and Renault Sport F1. Ferrari are asking Sauber for €22m this year for a full rear end but get a reduction of €5m for the asthmatic year old PUs, Haas are paying €27m for the full rear end. Honda were offering Sauber a €8m PU and McLaren were asking €8m for a gearbox supply for next year in comparison. Monisha could have called it right for 2018 as they were going to get Noru in for 15 FP1s and were getting €10m from Mercedes for Pascal next year, she was looking at the financials, and this was a net gain here.
Generally a good chart, but flawed in its calculations as many key numbers are wrong across many teams, some teams have more dough than is let on.
Employees as of November 2016, many numbers will be out by now:
Red Bull Racing Limited 57
Red Bull Technology Limited 675
MERCEDES AMG HIGH PERFORMANCE POWERTRAINS 538
MERCEDES-BENZ GRAND PRIX LTD 765
Williams Grand Prix Engineering Limited 625
Force India Formula One Team Limited 376
Lotus F1 Team Limited 557
Manor Grand Prix Racing Limited 159
Scuderia Toro Rosso S.P.A 369
Mclaren Racing Limited 629
Mclaren Technology Group Limited 1,366
Mclaren Applied Technologies Limited 158
Haas Formula UK Ltd 1
Prodrive Automotive Technology (Europe) Limited 107
Pirelli Motorsport Services Limited 38
Sauber and Ferrari don't have any data, but Sauber has been said is 380-420 recently and are going to add 100 staff in next 6 months, and Ferrari are an estimated 3,500 across all F1 departments, take their numbers as similar to Mercedes. Haas didn't have a full year of reporting till then, but it is estimated they have 280-320 F1 staff across 4 sites, they will offer their stats next year.
top investors/owners:
Honda: - 300 mln
Mercedes: - 250 mln
RedBull: 200 + 50 mln
Renault-Nissan: 125 mln
Ferrari-Fiat: 100 mln
Top sponsors:
Petronas (Mercedes): 41 mln
Philip Morris (Ferrari): 37,5 mln
Santander (Ferrari & McLaren: 30,5+2 mln
Castrol (Renault & McLaren): 30+2 mln
Shell (Ferrari): 27 mln
So at the moment, the best sponsors you can get are around 30-40 mln dollars, if you are a works team. The independent teams you can "have" top spot for around 15-20 (Williams/Sauber) or even as "low" as 6 (FI).
Top sponsors: Petronas (Mercedes): 41 mln
Philip Morris (Ferrari): 37,5 mln
Santander (Ferrari & McLaren: 30,5+2 mln
Castrol (Renault & McLaren): 30+2 mln
Shell (Ferrari): 27 mln
Price money seems an odd way to say what should be prize money should it not
it's spanish. it's perfectly correct.
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"
