for the one's that speak whid not knowing

[janus]

this is a part of a Q&A to renault robert white in autosport

some of you sayd the the championship is being play by fia i dont say yes or no some thing are strange very strange!

but in monza ist was not fia that decided the race after penalysing alonso this time it was really renault fault

some of you writed on the ocasion that alonso did not finish beacause he was penalyse and was pushing extra hard and beacause of that the engine whent bunnnnn.

look like that was not the case ,fia did strange things to say the least but this time you can not says sumacher took advantage beacouse off that look like the championship is open beacause of a renault mistake and not a fia conspiracy ist good for the sport i think

Q. Was it a result of having to push harder than normal in the race because of Fernando's grid position?

RW: No. Had Fernando been lying first or last, the engine would have failed at about the same point of the race. Fernando's use of the engine was completely within a normal duty cycle throughout the weekend.

[Venom]

RW: No. Had Fernando been lying first or last, the engine would have failed at about the same point of the race. Fernando's use of the engine was completely within a normal duty cycle throughout the weekend.

That's not what Alonso said after "blow out" on his way to the pits.

"pushing harder" came from Alonso's mouth...

[mini696]

Its called PR speak.

His engine still worked harder by being couped up behind slower cars and running in hotter air.

I dont care though. I dont like FA.

[janus]

no ist not PR talk

come on ..admint that this time fia and ferrari had nothing to do whid it ....
it was a simple renault mistake that can cust then the championship

this is from to autospot

Renault have decided to play it safe with their engine choice this weekend by opting not to race with their latest specification power-unit at the Chinese Grand Prix.

Following Fernando Alonso's blow-up in Monza, and further problems in testing at Jerez and Silverstone, Renault brought two modified versions of their D-specification engine to Shanghai.

One of the versions was more powerful but had question marks about its reliability, while the other was less powerful but more proven with its reliability. Both engines were a step forward over the original D-spec unit raced at Monza.

Following engine dyno tests at Renault's Viry-Chatillon engine base this week to determine how much faith the team could put in the reliability of the more powerful engine, the team have decided to race with the more proven power unit.

[NickT]

PR talk possibly but the penalty after qualifying ludicrus

[Spencifer_Murphy]

PR talk is quite obviously a possibility, BUT...

Its also JUST AS LIKELY that the increaced running behind cars pushed Alonso's engine JUST over the edge (it wasn't exactly an early race faliure was it? it happened quite late in the race)

We cannot rove any other way. And what will happen is FA fan's will say "Oh its definately the running behind slower cars, all thanks to the FIA giving a penalty which by chaning the rules after they have admitted in all ways but actually saying it that they were wrong to do so."

whereas the anti-Alonso fans will say "Oh yeah its quite clearly FA doing some PR speak, sin shines out FIA's arse n all that jazz."

Like we actually know or have proof.

[mini696]

I dont believe Renault or their drivers whenever they speak. They often contradict each other, far too often.

I dont care whether FA's engine blew from overwork or poor design

I just wish McLaren were winning.

[Rob W]

If this season goes to the wire, which I hope it does, and Alonso gets beaten bu Schumy by one or two points I will not be happy.

I'd actually prefer to see Fisi blatantly block Schumy in his qualifying session... Because the penalty only penalises the culprit, but gives no restitution to the person who was infringed against...

I really can't see why, under the newer and more ambiguous rules for qualifying, this shouldn't be considered. I mean Fisi can't win anything.. what's stopping him? The result of the Alonso/Massa incident helped Schumy.. it would almost be fair to me that Fisi has one aim in the coming races - to hamper and hinder MS as much as possible at all times - even if it means dropping a lap down so he can hold him up when being lapped.

OK... letting the imagination run wild I know. But Since Ferrari have been doing it for years it would be fine payback to prevent MS winning the title in this manner.

Rob W

[DaveKillens]

Interesting thought Rob, but with one flaw. Renault still needs Fisi to finish well in the battle for the manufacturer's title.
If they sacrificed him, it would almost guarantee that title to Ferrari.

[mini696]

Renault would also prefer MS to be slowed in the race.

[manchild]

Failure on Alonso's engine was first failure in the lower part of Renault engine in 3 years. In other words it had nothing to do with driving style or heat from Button's car but with structural failure (probably connecting rod broke and made a hole in the engine block). It was its first race and even if Alonso wasn't pushing it would explode in China.

[pRo]

(probably connecting rod broke and made a hole in the engine block)

I think I read somewhere, that it was an issue with the new pistons. Not 100% sure though.

[vyselegend]

Just a few instants after the engine blew, TV asked Dennis Chevrier about the possible reasons, and naturally he answeared "we need to analyse datas", but then he added "seems it was the up" with no further explainations.
So TV commentator guessed he was talking about the upper part of the block...

[Rob W]

Interesting thought Rob, but with one flaw. Renault still needs Fisi to finish well in the battle for the manufacturer's title.
If they sacrificed him, it would almost guarantee that title to Ferrari.

Yeah, I know it's very flawed but I'd say winning the driver's title is about ten times as important as winning the constructors'. In my mind the diver's title tends to get the lions share of the PR and glory because it's identified with a specific person.

Although... yes it's a nasty idea to suggest I know. But the long-term systematic chain of unsporting incidents by Ferarri over the recent seven or so years have been the primary disappointment in the sport for me. Eddie Irvine said of his radio calls to "develop a temporary engine problem" etc, Reubens slowing on the finish line in Austria etc... Team sport or not, people do identify racing with a single winner and not a team's combined points.

Rob W

[pRo]

Yeah, I know it's very flawed but I'd say winning the driver's title is about ten times as important as winning the constructors'. In my mind the diver's title tends to get the lions share of the PR and glory because it's identified with a specific person.

Drivers champ is all that matters for general fans. They follow the drivers, not the cars.

However many say that the constructors champ is what matters more to the teams and that's what defines the cash flows etc.