Monaco Aero

[ginsu]

Since Monaco is the highest downforce circuit, we see some interesting updates.

BMW Sauber have double element on their crash structure. Talk about using all the available space!



Macca have H-Beam wing (may not be new for Monaco), but this is the first time I've seen Macca with the fairings behind their driveshafts (I know they did not have them earlier this year).



Ferrari have probably the smallest gurney flaps I've ever seen, can't be more than 5mm. I think this is the first time they've appeared on the upper element. And a good picture of the device attached to the bottom, it's supposed to help clean up the airflow.

The upper profiles have also been revised, with small vertical fins (yellow arrows) added, to increase pressure in the profiles' outermost sections. They also help to better direct airflow towards the barge boards and sidepod inlets.

[mahesh248]

all team are looking forward to develop overall Down force ..BMW's and Mclaren look quite interesting ...

[ds.raikkonen]

Since Monaco is the highest downforce circuit, we see some interesting updates.

Surely you mean lowest downforce right?

[modbaraban]

Since Monaco is the highest downforce circuit, we see some interesting updates.

Surely you mean lowest downforce right?

Surely you mean lowest grip right?

[m3_lover]

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wouldn't you want the chimmney opening to be as wide as possible to get as much hot air as possible out?

[joseff]

Surely you mean lowest downforce right?

Surely you mean lowest grip right?

IMHO you're both right there. Lowest grip because it's a street circuit, lowest downforce due to the low speeds.

[modbaraban]

But ginsu meant highest downforce (as a setup priority) in the first place

[kilcoo316]

Ferrari have probably the smallest gurney flaps I've ever seen, can't be more than 5mm. I think this is the first time they've appeared on the upper element. And a good picture of the device attached to the bottom, it's supposed to help clean up the airflow.

You talking about the vertical plate under the wing 1st element?


Its a wing fence, reduces spanwise flow and will increase downforce.



Interesting that they aren't running the wing as close to the ground as they can though isn't it. (obviously if they can stick that under it the wing could drop down)

[ginsu]

Surely you mean lowest downforce right?

Surely you mean lowest grip right?

IMHO you're both right there. Lowest grip because it's a street circuit, lowest downforce due to the low speeds.

Yes, the speeds are low, so the total downforce produced is low compared to high speed circuits. But, the Angle of Attack for the rear wings are usually at their largest, to get the most downforce possible.

You talking about the vertical plate under the wing 1st element?

Yea, I've seen similar devices on airplane wings. And my understanding is that they prevent the flow from traveling perpendicular to the cord. This is what 'reducing spanwise flow' means, right? My question is, does this 'fence' really work for high speed conditions or low speed?

To clarify, I thought on airplanes the fences were used primarily for the transonic regime, not low speed. So, I'm a little surprised to see it on an F1 car. Although, those 'slot gap' separators on the rear wing are increasingly looking like fences too!

[m3_lover]

Why is there a second cap for cooling the driver..is this second hole needed to cool the power steering/brake fluids inside the car?
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Looks like Honda abandoned the curved ears that were moulded in the cockpit for the Renault-esque ears
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Why are there tethers inside the wing?
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What are those things underneath the front suspensions looks really complex with the barge boards and turning vanes?
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[modbaraban]

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Is it just me or those chimneys are bigger now? Huge in fact

[bizadfar]

Ferrari have probably the smallest gurney flaps I've ever seen, can't be more than 5mm. I think this is the first time they've appeared on the upper element. And a good picture of the device attached to the bottom, it's supposed to help clean up the airflow.

You talking about the vertical plate under the wing 1st element?


Its a wing fence, reduces spanwise flow and will increase downforce.



Interesting that they aren't running the wing as close to the ground as they can though isn't it. (obviously if they can stick that under it the wing could drop down)

regulations state how low they can go.

[kilcoo316]

Yea, I've seen similar devices on airplane wings. And my understanding is that they prevent the flow from traveling perpendicular to the cord. This is what 'reducing spanwise flow' means, right?

Correct.

My question is, does this 'fence' really work for high speed conditions or low speed?

To clarify, I thought on airplanes the fences were used primarily for the transonic regime, not low speed. So, I'm a little surprised to see it on an F1 car. Although, those 'slot gap' separators on the rear wing are increasingly looking like fences too!

It works at all speeds, but yeah, it was originally used on the MiG-15 for control of the spanwise boundary layer flow. Since the MiG-15 was a transonic fighter the wings were swept back, this increased the spanwise flow, and the wing fence helped reduce it alot.

This meant the wing would stall at the centre first instead of the wingtip (which is undesireable).



Here it will act as an addition to the endplate, giving a marginal increase in downforce.

[kilcoo316]

regulations state how low they can go.

Yeap, but if they can run a vertical plate under it, they can go lower with the main element.

[bazanaius]

sorry, I know this thread is probably dead, but I found it by accident and..

I think the reason they have the fence below the wing and don't just drop the wing is because here we are talking about an upper element of the wing. the lower wing probably is as close to the ground as regs allow, but the upper element will need to be spaced from the lower element. Hence there's space to put a fence in - helps condition the flow so might as well be used if there's space.