Official Call for Concepts!

[humble sabot]

This thread regards the above titled "Vehicle Development Project - Interests"
it is intended to be merged but has been created seperrately in order that a little more attention can be garnered.

so to the task at hand; as your humble and benevolent dictator I think the appropriate step at this point in the project is a call for concept presentations.

This means something slightly different from what it might first appear.

Simply put, render in words and/or images, as complete a picture of your answer to what you think the design goals of this project are. Everyone with an interest is welcome.

This step accomplishes a couple things, it helps show everyone how many 'everyone' is, what directions people are interested in taking, how each person's strengths manifest; i'll stop there but the list is long enough that the benefits should be self evident upon collection of presentations.

no specific date shall be set at this time, and it would be kind of rude to do so, i'm pretty well stretching my goodwill by imposing this demand as it is. But such is life. As a loose guideline i think, to keep things nice and fresh in our minds having every concept in before the monaco GP would be handy.

I'll shut up now and go and work on my own

[megz]

This what this is about?



Another idea I had was to have the upper elements of the front wing to come from the rear of the end plate and attatched to the chassis just before the suspension and using just one central mounting pillar for the front wing. But my MS paint and/or photoshop skills are very much lacking!

[riff_raff]

"the four immutable forces:
static balance
dynamic balance
static imbalance
dynamic imbalance"


If you're going to design and build race cars, you forgot the 5th (and by far the most powerful) immutable force: MONEY!

The cost of going fast increases exponentially with respect to velocity.

I believe the equation is $=V^4

[nae]

hehe yer

speed is a question of money
how fast do you want to go

[Giblet]

Renault has proved this wrong with some recent championships if I remember correctly. People and management are more important then money.

Toyota proves this right.

[nae]

at a personal level

speed is a question of money

are u a manger??!

no thought not

but yes money doesn't win championships

a toyota is only a few fractions of a sec slower
than a red car and that's a world apart

to get within 4 secs is x millions and to get with in 2 secs is 2x millions

[Giblet]

So let me gues this straight. You for some reason took my comment personally?

BTW I am a manager, although not of an F1 team.

In one post, you disagree with me that speed is a question of money, then you tell me I'm not a manager, the you AGREE with me that money doesn't win championships.

So what is your stance?

Like I said, Toyota spends far too much money and doesn't get results. If the entire Ferarri team moved to Toyota, the people wouldn't make a difference?

Silly. Don't take it personally.

[nae]

hmm dont quiet know what your point is

firstly
'speed is a question of money, how fast do you want to go'
is a quote from a film , mad max IIRC

and was quoted in a supporting role to previous comments

especially riff_raffs sig

"Q: How do you make a small fortune in racing?
A: Start with a large one!"

the quote assumes that you will not frivolously waste money
and all the efforts will go towards speed, this is a leap of faith
to certain degree as we all know any organisation requires loads
of admin and support costs even to just have one engineer working
to achieve this.

therefore the quote refers mainly to speed at a personal level
(what you or I or a gifted amateur could achieve)
and would lose its succinctness if it had to contain caveats as
to where and how the money is spent. ie it assumes that its best
returns for any spend

clearly one can spend loads of money and NOT go faster if one say
painted the car in gold leaf or put neon under lights on it!

Renault however did not PROVE this wrong as clearly they spent money and went fast

now to your point of toyota spending money and going fast, i think they go pretty damm quickly, but have to factor in the wasted £20 mill (or so) to ralf, clearly that didnt make the car faster but added to the budget.

we punters are not privvy to internal team budgets and thus its hard to discern
exactly how much of any budget goes towards development, mike gasgoyn (excuse spelling, you know the designer chap) flew on a private jet daily from uk to germany, clearly this isnt spent on the car directly and adds huge cost for little gain (mike wasnt going to work for them if they didnt do this)

toyota are spread over 2 continents and 1/2 a world and this clearly isnt the best way to run a team and also adds huge costs to the budget.

i also wonder on the honesty of some teams and there budgetary claims. if for example toyota bundled in all there corporate entertainment, including flights from japan for there senior staff and Renault didnt then these factors would play heavily on any resultant budgets. even if they where equally as honest it will still cost toyota 4 times as much simply due to flight costs and distance

money in itself will not win championships and on this you are correct (its take some back handers and legal chicanery, lol , oops stirring it again )

however the inverse is not true, that is good management and a strictly controlled budgets WILL win you championships, it hasnt worked for the vast majority of teams
and will continue to elude the likes of Force India and Super Aguri from some time to come. both must have strictly controlled budgets and clever management to even compete.

so then in summation

speed is a question of money
although it isnt a guarantee to win races or championships
how fast do you want to go
assuming you have the management and skills to implement it

does that make it clearer

probably not but i tried

[Giblet]

I get your point. Didnt know it was a quote, since it wasn't in "quotes".

It comes down to money for sure, but some people can cut a bagel with a 2 dollar knife just as good as someone who bought a bagel cutting rack and laser cut knife for 50 bucks.

I guess if you have a big wad of money in your pocket, your first idea is to spend, but if the wad is small, you might find ways to do things for cheaper that are just as good.

I wonder how much a team could save by making their mechanics look like mechanics instead of some neo military space force.

Cheers.

[nae]

ah good disaster averted and we are all friends again

the vagaries of F1 team budgets could keep us all talking for years

i should get back on topic or find the one about the FIA imposed budget restrictions

appoligies for thread derailment

[Belatti]

Guys, please continue this thread with mails or MSN and lets do a favour to humble sabot.
No need to reply.
Thanks.