Simulated F1 car setup

[kensaundm31]

I play rFactor.

But I just don't get car setup.

I want the car to handle the way they do as I see from on-board shots of the real drivers (LH in particular). Thats where I get my cues from.

Can we discuss each of the setup options, like what setting you all have, and what you would imagine to be the setting of the real f1 cars.

Silverstone

First off: Tyre pressures

The stock settings are 120 front 123 rear.

I thought that the front tyres should be higher than rear.

What settings do you all have? What do you think real f1 cars tyre pressures are?

[DaveKillens]

http://ca.geocities.com/cbarnett/SetupMatrix.html

http://www.rfactorcentral.com/setups/resources.cfm

http://c3garage.simgames.net/setuphelp.html

[Jersey Tom]

The way a virtual car responds, particularly F1, is in no way indicative of the real deal. They put together something that they hope is representative. I will say that the tire model in rFactor is particularly poor.

Don't go by real life values when doing game setups. Go by what works.

Also, I find that the baseline setups are not very good.

[Scotracer]

The way a virtual car responds, particularly F1, is in no way indicative of the real deal. They put together something that they hope is representative. I will say that the tire model in rFactor is particularly poor.

Don't go by real life values when doing game setups. Go by what works.

Also, I find that the baseline setups are not very good.

Indeed, the tyre model is particularly poor. The F1 tyres on rFactor have far too much grip compared to real life; a coefficient of grip way over 2.0 which will be what the 2009-spec slicks have.

[slimjim8201]

Try Live for Speed. A much, much better tire model.

I actually had the chance to drive a real F1 simulator in Lyon, France three weeks ago and Live for Speed feels so much more natural and "real" (sans the in-cockpit feel, driving position and hydraulic articulating floor...

The whole time I was driving I was thinking how awesome the simulator would be with Live for Speed physics but the physical setup of the simulator.

[kensaundm31]

Yeah, I take your point. Real F1 driving is computed all the way down to the quantum level across all variables.

But I do know that I like to drive the car in the same way as LH, so do you have any suggestions as to what would be the simulated approximation of his setup.

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Pedro de la Rosa, McLaren's test driver compared the driving styles of Lewis and Heikki after the Turkish GP.

According to the Spaniard, Hamilton always takes the corners very aggressively, while Kovalainen is able to be just as fast with a softer approach. This then leads to a different kind of tyre degradation.

- The difference is, Lewis always goes into a corner full-on, on the the limit. He likes the rear of the car to be slightly fidgety and the front to be very strong in grip, and the car to slightly slide sideways out of the corner.

- Heikki's style is more soft, but not any slower. Heikki is really good. They both have about the same line into the corner, but Lewis' style is much more aggressive to the tyres on this track.

[DaveKillens]

I would suggest you seek out your own personal style, one that makes you feel comfortable. Remember, Lewis has been racing much longer than I have been in this forum, and has thousands upon thousands of laps in karts. By the way, his style is directly related to karting, how the front end turns in quickly and with authority.
If you want less understeer (more oversteer), then alter the suspension settings as per the setup giudes....

[Scuderia_Russ]

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According to the Spaniard, Hamilton always takes the corners very aggressively, while Kovalainen is able to be just as fast with a softer approach.

Mmmm

[Miguel]

Scuderia_Russ, the key word here is Turkey. It all went down for Heikki from here. While slower, I don't remember Heikki being that far from Lewis in the previous races.

[Belatti]

Scuderia_Russ, the key word here is Turkey. It all went down for Heikki from here. While slower, I don't remember Heikki being that far from Lewis in the previous races.

I googled for Turkey and this is what I found:



I think the problem is in the rear wing, Heikki won´t get enough speed with that angle of attack!

[Miguel]

I think the problem is in the rear wing, Heikki won´t get enough speed with that angle of attack!

LOL. He won't get much downforce either, as the wing seems to be stalling.

[kensaundm31]

So how do you setup the car to handle like a glorified kart?

Plus isn't it a bit weird how the Front anti-roll stops at 195 n/mm and yet the front spring goes up to 268n/mm.

Previously in F12002 and F1Ch the Front antiroll went to 300 and the springs went to 250.

The point being that there was still lots of room to have a stiffer front anti-roll even if you had the maximum spring rate.

Whats the deal, it doesn't make sense.

[Jersey Tom]

Plus isn't it a bit weird how the Front anti-roll stops at 195 n/mm and yet the front spring goes up to 268n/mm.

I don't see anything odd about that.

But again, remember that a lot of these values are probably pure guesses or severely fudged. Don't think it's in any current F1 team's best interest to be giving away suspension parameters for consumption by the public (other than some obvious things).

[Conceptual]

I get the impression that the original poster wants something like this:

To help correct slight understeer, move the weight distribution to the rear, 1 click at a time until it is gone.

I would personally love to see a thread about this concerning rFactor. I always seems to get mixed up on the slow/fast bump settings. I understand quite a bit about it, but if anyone would like to provide the fix to an issue like I stated above, this could be a VERY good thread!

[kensaundm31]

But again, remember that a lot of these values are probably pure guesses or severely fudged. Don't think it's in any current F1 team's best interest to be giving away suspension parameters for consumption by the public (other than some obvious things).

Why on earth dont ISI hire someone like Steve Matchett as a temporary consultant or anyone with F1 tech experience to find out all the neccesary details. He can still tell them everything they need to know without being team specific.

Instead they waste their money on companies to administrate their ineffective and paying-customer punishing anti-piracy scheme.

I think the problems I'm having finding a good setup are more down to the tire model and physics, the car just doesn't quite turn in the right way.

I use FSONE and they have edited the vehicle and tire model. So I've experimented with using the 2008bridgestonetire from ISI/MMG BMWF12008 and it seems a bit better.

There is more longitudinal grip than lateral grip in the ISI tire model and I read that this should be about the same, but that may not have been F1 specific.

Anyway I'll get there in the end.

To help correct slight understeer, move the weight distribution to the rear, 1 click at a time until it is gone.

I use weight distribution to even temperatures from front to rear.