F1 live timing glitches - computer problem?

[modbaraban]

I recently upgraded my gfx card from nvidia 8600gts to gtx260. Everything seems fine. I mention that as it's the only thing that's changed in my PC since the Suzuka race.

Now during the Brazilian grand prix the timing had these terrible glitches.



I tried reinstalling the browser (firefox 3.5), Java, Flash. No change.

Shortly after that I mentioned some glitches (like the coding was suddenly all wrong) in Putty SSH software that work perfectly fine before. Can it be related?

[rjsa]

It is weird but could be the graphics drivers. What OS?

I'd sugest you remove the graphics driver, restart it and get the machine running with the defailt windows drivers. Then download latest drivers' versions and restart.

EDIT: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_13955.html

EDIT2: By your software listing you could be using linux, is that right?

[WhiteBlue]

Nvidia has an automatic driver analyser which selects the right driver for you. It works in Explorer, no idea if it works in other browsers.

[modbaraban]

It's XP. I did install the latest drivers. I'll try to clean them out and reinstall.

[Giblet]

Try in a diffrerent browser first, to make sure it's not the browser. I understand you think you made no changes, but 99% of the time, the user s wrong, and something was (has) changed. Due diligence needed.

The graphics in Java are not 3d or hardware related. It's just a CPU telling the vid card what pixels to draw.

I would first try a standard WEBKIT browser, like Chrome or Safari. The GTX 260 and the 8600 are not that different internally. Even so, the 2d crap has long been perfected.

If Firefox has an issue, then reinstalling the exact same browser isn't exactly a good recipe for problem fixing.

Lastly, if your vid card is running too hot, which is common, then it will start giving artifacts, or put data in the wrong place on the screen.

I would get a program like ntune, and clock down your GPU. Java is surprisingly CPU dependent as well, so any overclocks you may have done could be pages of memory to shift.

AS well, the FIA programmers aren't the best. There was more than once that I realized the live timing froze, and I had to do a browser refresh.

If you are on a wifi or other connection that is intermittent (even if it seems constant) it can also cause problems.

I am one of the better PC techs around, I can likely help to a solution. Hard to test with only one race left.

The more I think about it, HEAT is your enemy. You just chucked in a few hundred million new heat sources.

Get another fan, check your temps.

[rjsa]

Try in a diffrerent browser first, to make sure it's not the browser. I understand you think you made no changes, but 99% of the time, the user s wrong, and something was (has) changed. Due diligence needed.

The graphics in Java are not 3d or hardware related. It's just a CPU telling the vid card what pixels to draw.

I would first try a standard WEBKIT browser, like Chrome or Safari. The GTX 260 and the 8600 are not that different internally. Even so, the 2d crap has long been perfected.

If Firefox has an issue, then reinstalling the exact same browser isn't exactly a good recipe for problem fixing.

Lastly, if your vid card is running too hot, which is common, then it will start giving artifacts, or put data in the wrong place on the screen.

I would get a program like ntune, and clock down your GPU. Java is surprisingly CPU dependent as well, so any overclocks you may have done could be pages of memory to shift.

AS well, the FIA programmers aren't the best. There was more than once that I realized the live timing froze, and I had to do a browser refresh.

If you are on a wifi or other connection that is intermittent (even if it seems constant) it can also cause problems.

I am one of the better PC techs around, I can likely help to a solution. Hard to test with only one race left.

The more I think about it, HEAT is your enemy. You just chucked in a few hundred million new heat sources.

Get another fan, check your temps.

He replaced the graphics card... Let the guy try new drivres before he pops the box open again. Trying some new browser, even if that's iExploder, is a good idea.

If he went GTX he obviously has some serious 3D going on there, and if the board holds 3D fine it won't bend it's knees with live timing and putty ftp.

About OC giving this kind of artifact due to bad memory paging, this is the biggest BS I've read ever. BOFH standard. The thing will BSOD 1.000.000 times before it fails like that.

BTW, comedy gold

[Giblet]

BS really?

Wrong an BS are kind of different. If it was the biggest BS you have ever read, you spend no time on the internet, or are trying to be an ass

BOFH? Whatever. Even if I have the result of the error wrong, I still understand what the cause could be, and test out everything until I know.

Nobody can know everything, but my methods are more than sound.

Can you watch archived live timing or is all this moot with no way to test but the last GP? The iPhone app version you can dl live timings and rewatch them.

[rjsa]

When wrong comes with "I am one of the better PC techs around", it becomes BS.

[Giblet]

Think what you want. That's the problem with most techs, is they think they are better than they are. I am completely aware of my skills, and limitations. I don't know everything. You think you do. I get my work for being a non elitist tech that people like talking to and working with.

I have had every single generation of PC open on my or my fathers or my desk since I was about 12. MS-Dos on an XT, all the way to now, 7 on i7. I have supported every single platform. You know how people call the smart kid next door for PC help nowadays? I was that kid in the early 80s, and still am now. Like an old school mechanic, my experience eclipses most, but if there are some specifics to something, like the exact kind of memory error we are talking about, I could be wrong, and can admit that. But I just learned form you, that a BSOD will happen before a screen error.

I have solved every single PC hardware, software, and configuration issue since then. Every personal or professional problem was resolved. I was a working on PC's before the "dot com" revolution. I am Dell certified for all their hardware, including servers.

Modern machines are far easier to support, and you need to know far, FAR less. It's easier for people now. I guarantee for each thing about 'computers' that you know that I don't, I have my own bag of things you don't. It's wise to learn from those around you.

Just sayin'.

I'm just here to try to help Modbaraban, but you seem to be here to prove I can't.

[modbaraban]

First of all my gpu temp are all right. In fact the gigbyte gtx260oc is Raikkonen-cold compared to my old 8600gts which used to idle at higher temps (60C) than the new card have ever reached at load (I use Everest software to check the temps).

I understand you think you made no changes, but 99% of the time, the user s wrong, and something was (has) changed.

Fair enough. I just mentioned the only thing I could recall.

I cleaned the gpu drivers completely and installed the new ones again.

The putty issue is still there (screenshot). Someone suggested to switch the coding to UTF-8 but that only replaced the glitchy characters with different ones (screenshot2). Then again, it could be a coincidence.

The next thing to do is find my formula1.com password and get another browser to display the timing... and wait for the next Abu-Dhabi free practice. Plus I'll see how the FIA-GT live timing by MST-world goes this weekend.
UPD: FIA GT one works normally.

[rjsa]

First of all my gpu temp are all right. In fact the gigbyte gtx260oc is Raikkonen-cold compared to my old 8600gts which used to idle at higher temps (60C) than the new card have ever reached at load (I use Everest software to check the temps).

I understand you think you made no changes, but 99% of the time, the user s wrong, and something was (has) changed.

Fair enough. I just mentioned the only thing I could recall.

I cleaned the gpu drivers completely and installed the new ones again.

The putty issue is still there (screenshot). Someone suggested to switch the coding to UTF-8 but that only replaced the glitchy characters with different ones (screenshot2). Then again, it could be a coincidence.

The next thing to do is find my formula1.com password and get another browser to display the timing... and wait for the next Abu-Dhabi free practice. Plus I'll see how the FIA-GT live timing by MST-world goes this weekend.
UPD: FIA GT one works normally.

Putty FTP thing looks like screwed font or code page like you said . Change the font to something else, like fixedsys. About the code page, I think you can find out what is wrong from the linux side. With the command 'locale', if I remmember right.

About Live timing, There is an acrchive: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... popup.html This is BR fianl standings.

Try turning on and of clear type also.

[rjsa]

Think what you want. That's the problem with most techs, is they think they are better than they are. I am completely aware of my skills, and limitations. I don't know everything. You think you do. I get my work for being a non elitist tech that people like talking to and working with.

I have had every single generation of PC open on my or my fathers or my desk since I was about 12. MS-Dos on an XT, all the way to now, 7 on i7. I have supported every single platform. You know how people call the smart kid next door for PC help nowadays? I was that kid in the early 80s, and still am now. Like an old school mechanic, my experience eclipses most, but if there are some specifics to something, like the exact kind of memory error we are talking about, I could be wrong, and can admit that. But I just learned form you, that a BSOD will happen before a screen error.

I have solved every single PC hardware, software, and configuration issue since then. Every personal or professional problem was resolved. I was a working on PC's before the "dot com" revolution. I am Dell certified for all their hardware, including servers.

Modern machines are far easier to support, and you need to know far, FAR less. It's easier for people now. I guarantee for each thing about 'computers' that you know that I don't, I have my own bag of things you don't. It's wise to learn from those around you.

Just sayin'.

I'm just here to try to help Modbaraban, but you seem to be here to prove I can't.

You where bragging and misleading, that's not help. May be you can, I don't know.

BTW I learned programming at the age of 12, not speaking English, with one of these: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/abouthp/histnf ... index.html

Enough with the pissing context.

[modbaraban]

About Live timing, There is an acrchive: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... popup.html This is BR fianl standings.

That's IE. The thing looks okay until I move mouse over it and it starts to react/update, it then flickers like hell and parts jump around.

Try turning on and of clear type also.

I not sure what are you on about

UPD: found that clear type thingy. The smoothing was set to 'normal mode'. Switching to clear type (which looked awful btw) didn't help. Neither did help turning the smoothing off altogether.

UPD: the putty glitches look damn similar with parts moving around

[rjsa]

Two wild guesses:

-Under the dysplay options->troubleshoot, move the hardware accelaration back one or 2 notches.

-Turn of 'Thread Optimization' on NVIDIA control pannel.

[modbaraban]

-Under the dysplay options->troubleshoot, move the hardware accelaration back one or 2 notches.

It seems to work totally fine only when I set it to off. Can't test putty now. For some reason it won't connect for a few hour after the previous session.

-Turn of 'Thread Optimization' on NVIDIA control pannel.

I don't have this option. Looked everywhere, google suggests it's mostly for AMD CPUs.