Bill Gates wastes his money on 1930s technology

[autogyro]

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2366416,00.asp

Hahahaha
The opoc engine.
This is basicaly a copy of the 1935 Junkers two stroke diesel aero engine used by the Luftwaffe in WW2. It worked very well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Jumo_205

Just another ancient idea stolen by the Americans.
I had no idea just how far behind on engines they actualy were.
Bill Gates should stick to virtual reality, the real thing is obviously way to much for him. Still I suppose it is yet another way to keep burning fossil fuels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napier_Deltic

The British ultimate development of the concept

Only 50 years out of date America.
Hahahahahaha I just cant help laughing. Unfortunately it is NOT funny.

[Agenda_Is_Incorrect]

Wrong section and prejudice. I agree, it's really not funny.

On topic, if any engine is a copy from any engine, the same logic result as everything being a copy. So you could say UK = USA?

[riff_raff]

Just another ancient idea stolen by the Americans. Only 50 years out of date America. Hahahahahaha I just cant help laughing.

autogyro,

Actually, that OPOC (Ecomotors) engine is being developed by a German guy named Peter Hofbauer. He was chief of propulsion development at Volkswagen for many years.

The first opposed piston engine was designed by Wittig in 1878.

Regards,
riff_raff

[Jersey Tom]

Autogyro... acting like a 13 year old when it comes to this crap gets played out really quick, bud.

When your posts are completely off base, illogical, or just nonsensical.. we don't go on and on about "dumb Brits." Just cool it.

How's your magic, revolutionary gearbox design coming by the way? Any investors? No..?

[Mystery Steve]

1930s technology? 50 years out of date? It's the 1980s...? Why didn't anyone inform me of this... are we going to have to live through that Y2K nonsense again?

[Richard]

The objective is for a low cost engine designed to be used in the developing world. Refining a low-tech engine with simple mechanical parts, and tolerance of poor quality fuel, seems a very sensible solution.

[autogyro]

Low tech, you said it.

[xxChrisxx]

Low tech, you said it.

Yes amazing isn't it, that not everyone in this world can afford to buy the most high tech peice of equipment.

If they can make a low cost, robust, opposed piston engine that performs better in some way than a current engine then that is only a good thing.

I say good luck to them.

[autogyro]

The objective is for a low cost engine designed to be used in the developing world. Refining a low-tech engine with simple mechanical parts, and tolerance of poor quality fuel, seems a very sensible solution.

Hardly simple mechanical parts.
It has double the reciprocation with twice the wear.
You have to wonder why the guy left VW and joined GM.
Especialy as VW is leading the way at present in hybrid and alternate technology.
Lotus should also have been more careful with some of the ex Ferrari staff they are employing.
European companies are cutting back big time on staff at all levels.
You do not think they would get rid of their top engineers first do you.
GM has yet again bought into an obsolete pup and Gates is on board as well this time.

[autogyro]

Wrong section and prejudice. I agree, it's really not funny.

On topic, if any engine is a copy from any engine, the same logic result as everything being a copy. So you could say UK = USA?

Your completely missing the point.
The UK did this over 50 years ago.
It is NOT prejudice, it is FACT.

[xxChrisxx]

Wrong section and prejudice. I agree, it's really not funny.

On topic, if any engine is a copy from any engine, the same logic result as everything being a copy. So you could say UK = USA?

Your completely missing the point.
The UK did this over 50 years ago.
It is NOT prejudice, it is FACT.

So what?

It's not like the US has only just discovered this, just last week (they've known about it for yonks too). They are taking an old idea and seeing if it will suit a different purpose.

It's not a copy, but the design template is similar. It's like saying that all engines are just copies becuase they all have bits that basically go up and down.

And your OP re: prejudice

Just another ancient idea stolen by the Americans.

I had no idea just how far behind on engines they actualy were.

Only 50 years out of date America.

Frankly you are getting out of line with they way your posts and threads are going. As you can see from this thread it's irritating the --- out of the F1T community.

A nice technical discussion is fine, but you constantly have to make snide remarks that are just totally unnecessary and sour any meaningful discussion.

[autogyro]

1930s technology? 50 years out of date? It's the 1980s...? Why didn't anyone inform me of this... are we going to have to live through that Y2K nonsense again?

1878 actualy for the first opposed piston concept.
50 years ago was when the concept reached its peak of development with the British Napier Deltic engine in the 1960's.
The hugely powerful and efficient locomotives were stop gap designs before full electric traction was instaled.
They burned huge amounts of OIL.
Using OIL is what this GM incentive is, oh and to keep their obsolete car manufacture going in the face of the alternative energy revolution.
It MUST be obvious to any real engineer reading this thread.

[autogyro]

I apologise for upsetting the sensibilities of others especialy Americans but surely even they must see what is behind this.
My posts are not made with prejudice towards the American people, they are as good or bad as anyone else anywhere.
This engine is being promoted as the latest and greatest thing since sliced bread for the future. It patently is not.
It must be of importance to this tech thread on engines.
I agree it should be discused technicaly as far as is possible to confirm what I am saying.
It is using money that originates from the public to keep burning oil.

[mep]

No 13 year old would have a clue about opposed two stroke diesel engines.
Nobody educates them in proper engineering these days, more likely basket weaving.

That is not true.
I designed an opposed piston engine when I was around 14-15. It even had a special feature. A third piston in the middle which steered the filling and made the engine very compact compared to its displacement. Of course many designs I have done during this time I would not do anymore but the point is that I indeed designed exactly such an engine at this age. I wish I would have had just a little support by my parents or anybody else and maybe my own turning machine.

[RacingManiac]

I apologise for upsetting the sensibilities of others especialy Americans but surely even they must see what is behind this.
My posts are not made with prejudice towards the American people, they are as good or bad as anyone else anywhere.
This engine is being promoted as the latest and greatest thing since sliced bread for the future. It patently is not.
It must be of importance to this tech thread on engines.
I agree it should be discused technicaly as far as is possible to confirm what I am saying.
It is using money that originates from the public to keep burning oil.

until some one made a cold-fusion-powered-perpetual-motion-hover-scooter, everything that's being done now is spending money on old technology. It looks like electric car is making a comeback, which had its moment in the sun at the turn of 20th century, now with improved material/battery/whathaveyou people are taking a look at it. Whos to say this old tech cannot be improved upon? Current piston engine had a century of attention to get to where it is today, with the need to look at something else at the moment anything that might have potential to be benefited from a century of advancement in engineering and material technology is probably worth looking at. Besides, 23million is peanuts in the scale we are talking about here....certainly peanuts compare to what Eion Musk have somehow gotten government and investor to put in the USF1 of future automotive world named Tesla....

Maybe you just need to work on your salesman pitch more to get some other rich investor to spend some of their money on your magic gearbox....all I see is these others are better salesman with better pitch...