How to fix a Tilkedrome

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FW17
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How to fix a Tilkedrome

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I always found Tilke tracks a bit too complex.

Here is my fix for Shanghai International Circuit with the snails removed.

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China is essencially fine to me, it has a couple of half overtaking chances and one full overtaking chance. There is a section that could be fixed from the exit of 8 into 9 and 10.

Here is how id fix a few other tracks, including Shanghai:

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I didn't know Catalunya was a Tilke
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indeed, plus it doesnt actually fix anything imo.

Tracks are too wide, barriers too far away and they are all the same, that is a tilke track and cannot be fixed.

On the shanghai track by ESP i would rather rewmove the S where he draw a new section, leave the first part of the s there but add a chicane there and then a 90 degree corner going onto thew regular track. Would allow dfferent racing lines and also counter moves.
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nice to see my home track ..but in all honesty with all three chicanes it was producing rather dull races back then ,especially in Formula 1....
Hockenheim is boring Tilke or not- interestingly a lot of drivers seem to like it
as much as they like the Nurburgring wich is also a dull layout...

To me you need more Kobayashi and less Coulthard and forget about Track design

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raymondu999 wrote:I didn't know Catalunya was a Tilke
The little f-ed up chichane is at the end of the lap, i like my flowing thing alot better, and also the change in turn 1 to improve overtaking into there as well as there is a argument about that corner in F1 about weather it would need a re profile or not.

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You need 2 out of 3 of these for a good track, Elevation change, Water, Trees (or other colorful scenery)

The really key ingredient though is atmosphere, something you cant buy or build (sorry yas marina)

Thats my conclusion anyway.
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marcush. wrote:nice to see my home track ..but in all honesty with all three chicanes it was producing rather dull races back then ,especially in Formula 1....
Hockenheim is boring Tilke or not- interestingly a lot of drivers seem to like it
as much as they like the Nurburgring wich is also a dull layout...

To me you need more Kobayashi and less Coulthard and forget about Track design
I'd get rid of the chicanes of course. Don't know about the dull racing though. I quite enjoyed all those engine blow-ups. It provided a real test for the engines.

+1 on the Kobayashi issue

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ESPI, there isn't enough runoff area for the change you want to do the first sector in Abu Dhabi. That is what that chicane is there for.

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I don't think the problem is the tracks. Sure some of them are not the best but when you compare a new (Tilke) circuit to one that has existed and been used for years and has given some memorable races, the Tilke track will always be labelled as crap.

The real problem is the cars. Basically, they are too fast and the braking zones are too small. I don't know if anyone here has watched the MotoGP races that where held at Ciudad del Motor de Aragón and Sepang. Both of these tracks are Tilke designed and the racing was great.

Blaming the tracks is easy as everyone can understand tarmac. Addressing the real problem, the cars, is a lot harder.

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just look at what they changed in recent years ...banned right everything and put a stranglehold on any big development.
BUT:usually the best and tightest racing you get in one make racing series AND when cars do survive the odd tangle.
I think this is key to nailbiting racing .A little brush should not be enough to wipe off suspension and wings and it should be ok to fight with a bit of contact.

Today you flick too much to the wrong side and get a drive through...leaving the track and all that ..just google :the pass and you know that sometimes a bit of creativity should be rewarded -even if Brian Herta is of different opinion.

Tilke is racing every other saturday on the Nordschleife... I don´t get why he´s doing what he´s doing like that ...You race on one of the most challenging and entertaining tracks aandf then allow your team to design that crap ... maybe it has to do with the Nordschleife really notorious for not giving lots of overtaking opportunity when you are fighting with a comparable car?

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The way I see it, the difference between the "great" classic tracks and the later Tilkedromes is the fact that the great tracks grew and evolved over a long period, whilst the modern circuits were designed for purpose.

When motor racing first appeared, there were no circuits and races were held wherever people wanted to hold them. All racing was an amateur back then, so there was no compulsion to enter all races and drivers would pick and choose which events they would attend.

If drivers enjoyed the circuit, or if they felt they could be competitive, then the race would attract a reasonable field of competitors. If the crowd enjoyed the spectacle then the event would generate more income, thus being able to offer better prize money and attract better drivers.

This feedback meant that circuits that offered better racing generated sufficient revenue to upgrade their facilities, becoming the premier venues of their day. As this meant that they attracted bigger events, they could thus generate additional revenue and make suitable modifications to the circuits to improve both safety and the show. Less entertaining venues would then be relegated to smaller events or cease holding races entirely.

This process of competition and evolution over many years created an environment where the best natural locations available were slowly honed and refined into some of the best racing circuits in the world; they were built in these places because that was where people wanted to go racing, rather than because the government wanted to attract tourist money to that location.

By contrast, the Tilke circuits were designed for the purpose and built in the most economically viable location : they have not been through the same evolutionary process as Monza or Spa, unless you see revisions to Tilke's design philosophy as being "evolution" (I don't).

The older circuits have stood the test of time and have risen to the top because of it : the newer circuits are on the calendar because a lot of money was thrown at them.

Don't forget, there were boring circuits on the calendar long before Tilke penned his first circuit. These fell by the wayside over the years and are now a faded memory. If any Tilke circuits manage to stand the same test of time as Silverstone, we will see very different circuits stood on those locations in 50 years.

Don't forget, Silverstone once looked like this :
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