2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

[101FlyingDutchman]

I don’t much like VER radio comms. It wasn’t needed and tells a story of his mindset after losing it all in the pitstops.

Still, he was there around the outside legitimately. High risk move sure but really he had v v little to lose at that point

[politburo]

Yeah he was never ahead and was only alongside when Hamilton was turning and he was lifted off the road by the giant sausage kerb. Verstappen should have backed out but he knew if hadn't stayed alongside Hamilton would have stayed ahead

It's not about being ahead *facepalm*. Who in the world told you that if you're side by side and one driver is a meter or 2 ahead, with cars that are 5 meters long, then they can just turn in like the other driver isn't there?. There is so much precedence for this I don't understand what you're even arguing, its about being significantly alongside. Can point to at least 5+ situations like these in the past two years alone where a driver gets penalized for forcing another driver off-track/crowding because they did not leave a car's width.

Like Max on the first lap you mean? Not a cars width there.

Exactly, but no collision, despite them being both clearly wrong. People seem to be angry that it was a collision.

[Spacepace]

No they weren't. At no point during the corner was Verstappen ahead until he was airborne.

Yeah he was never ahead and was only alongside when Hamilton was turning and he was lifted off the road by the giant sausage kerb. Verstappen should have backed out but he knew if hadn't stayed alongside Hamilton would have stayed ahead

It's not about being ahead *facepalm*. Who in the world told you that if you're side by side and one driver is a meter or 2 ahead, with cars that are 5 meters long, then they can just turn in like the other driver isn't there?. There is so much precedence for this I don't understand what you're even arguing, its about being significantly alongside. Can point to at least 5+ situations like these in the past two years alone where a driver gets penalized for forcing another driver off-track/crowding because they did not leave a car's width.

It's a chicane and it's Hamilton's corner. Verstappen has to overtake and react to what Hamilton is doing. Why should Hamilton yield, he was probably expecting Verstappen to back out but he "SEND IT!"

[Spacepace]

Shame some people on this board can't stay consistent. Max's fault this time because his nose wasn't in front, yet Silverstone it was Max's fault because he should have just left room, even though Lewis didn't have his nose in front.

There's a difference between the inside of the corner and the outside and the entry to the corner and the exit of a corner.

You have to leave a car's width, no matter where you are. Simple rule, which Lewis didn't follow.

Hamilton has a right to the apex of turn 2. He doesn't need to open the door

[matt_b]

Given that Max was on Pole and Lewis P4 not a bad day for Lewis to not lose any ground, Max and Red Bull will be fuming over this break because it should've been an easy win .

[Spacepace]

You have seen Lewis onboard I presume?. If you haven't then you'd rather not claim this. This is on initial turn in. Verstappen is literally right there.

https://i.imgur.com/p1jyloI.png

Not ahead, so Lewis has the right to the line. Like Max did on lap 1.

Lewis had colder tyres compared to Max and Max was clearly, ahead. So that's a bad move again from Lewis.

Show me the photo where Verstappen was ahead haha

[politburo]

Yeah he was never ahead and was only alongside when Hamilton was turning and he was lifted off the road by the giant sausage kerb. Verstappen should have backed out but he knew if hadn't stayed alongside Hamilton would have stayed ahead

It's not about being ahead *facepalm*. Who in the world told you that if you're side by side and one driver is a meter or 2 ahead, with cars that are 5 meters long, then they can just turn in like the other driver isn't there?. There is so much precedence for this I don't understand what you're even arguing, its about being significantly alongside. Can point to at least 5+ situations like these in the past two years alone where a driver gets penalized for forcing another driver off-track/crowding because they did not leave a car's width.

It's a chicane and it's Hamilton's corner. Verstappen has to overtake and react to what Hamilton is doing. Why should Hamilton yield, he was probably expecting Verstappen to back out but he "SEND IT!"

That's not how it works. They only say leave a car's width, so cars don't go off track. They don't instruct anyone to yield, that at the end of the day is your own opinion who should yield. But all this nonsense about who is ahead gets the corner is just senseless, if you are ahead still side by side you must leave the space, and sadly, one driver didn't and the collided rear tyres which DNF'd both. It's really that simple.

[Ryar]

There's a difference between the inside of the corner and the outside and the entry to the corner and the exit of a corner.

You have to leave a car's width, no matter where you are. Simple rule, which Lewis didn't follow.

Hamilton has a right to the apex of turn 2. He doesn't need to open the door

There are no rights if there is a car alongside. Austria clearly established it.

[NathanOlder]

If Lewis had yielded and given Max more room, I guarentee Max then pushes Lewis off the track on the exit.


Lewis had the right to the corner, was ahead as they went in to the corner. Max just hot headed after the pit stop and lost his head.

[Mattyw]

Given that Max was on Pole and Lewis P4 not a bad day for Lewis to not lose any ground, Max and Red Bull will be fuming over this break because it should've been an easy win .

Max knew race was lost after the pit stop. Couldn't get a mclaren and would be behind them and Ham on the better tyre - 'if I'm not winning you ain't either'

[NathanOlder]

Not ahead, so Lewis has the right to the line. Like Max did on lap 1.

Lewis had colder tyres compared to Max and Max was clearly, ahead. So that's a bad move again from Lewis.

How old are you

lol

[ringo]

Shame some people on this board can't stay consistent. Max's fault this time because his nose wasn't in front, yet Silverstone it was Max's fault because he should have just left room, even though Lewis didn't have his nose in front.

There's a difference between the inside of the corner and the outside and the entry to the corner and the exit of a corner.

You have to leave a car's width, no matter where you are. Simple rule, which Lewis didn't follow.

Well you dont understand how chicanes work.
You only leave room on entry and exit.
As i said there is 3 phases to this corner.
Max had two opportunities to bail out but decided to drive accross the exit of the turn to obstruct lewis.
He is out of control and emotional. He deserves a penalty.

[El Scorchio]

I don’t much like VER radio comms. It wasn’t needed and tells a story of his mindset after losing it all in the pitstops.

Still, he was there around the outside legitimately. High risk move sure but really he had v v little to lose at that point

And that's a really dangerous attitude to have. It's basically what led Schumacher to hit Hill and Villeneuve all those years ago. As mentioned 'If I'm not coming out of this corner ahead then neither of us is coming out of it.'

[NathanOlder]

Lap 1 incident was looked at by the stewards, then as Lewis jumped out the way nothing happened. This time Max stayed in and wiped them both out.

[101FlyingDutchman]

Given that Max was on Pole and Lewis P4 not a bad day for Lewis to not lose any ground, Max and Red Bull will be fuming over this break because it should've been an easy win .

Max knew race was lost after the pit stop. Couldn't get a mclaren and would be behind them and Ham on the better tyre - 'if I'm not winning you ain't either'

Yep to a large degree probably true!

Keeping the car in a position that highly likely is going to get you close to a collision. Rather like Silverstone really.