2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

[e30ernest]

That's true, but it really seems that Hamilton does not have Verstappen's best interests at heart.

Why should he?

This is why I am on the fence on this one. Granted Lewis could leave more space, but also Verstappen would have done the same thing to Hamilton in a heartbeat. In fact, he did it on lap 1!

[PlatinumZealot]

Look at each cars line. Clear as day.

And that's why Max could get a penalty or a warning. instead of avoiding the curbs when he was for sure going to hit them, he just kept going.

Look at the steering angle. Zero steering angle. He was using Lewis as a bouncing barrier. I understand why though. Lewis essentially would have run away with the win and in Max's mind he had to do everything to stop him. Max is a true old school racer in that sense. Very ruthless. I like it in a sense... But it doesn't belong in today's F1.

[djones]

Although for me it was very clearly Max's fault, it was super stupid of Lewis to take the risk. Max had everything to gain by them both going off.

If Hamilton had let him just go past he would have got him in the next few laps and gone on to win the race. Very short-sighted from him.

Did you not see how hard overtaking was today ? Bottas with a fresh PU was unable to pass a RedBull. SO it wasn't a given that he would pass Max. Plus Max proves to be harder to pass with his aggressive defence over the years.

Max was on hards and Hamilton on fresh mediums. Plus it's Hamilton and not Bottas we are talking about. That Redbull was not going to hold off the Mercedes for long.

[napoleon1981]

To me the incident was on Lewis, he actually ran already wide in T1 trying to outbrake Max on cold tires, pushing Max on the sausage curb for T2, which results in Max being basically a passenger. Again its Lewis missing the Apex while being on the inside in an overtaking maneuver (same as in Silverstone).

[JordanMugen]

Look at the steering angle. Zero steering angle. He was using Lewis as a bouncing barrier.

And what is Hamilton doing to create space at the apex!? Seemingly nothing. :raises eyebrow:

PS. Brown's voice sounds a bit coarse.

[grubschumi13]

Silverstone it was Lewis' fault. This one I got to say Max was at fault. Hamilton squeezed him but that corner does not have room to give even if Lewis tried to avoid. I do think the outcome of the race considering the starting grid, RBR and Max should be disappointed . Max should have led from the start and never looked back.

What Max said on the radio after betrayed his anger at events prior which in turn made him desperate. I think he will serve a penalty.

[RonMexico]

Although for me it was very clearly Max's fault, it was super stupid of Lewis to take the risk. Max had everything to gain by them both going off.

If Hamilton had let him just go past he would have got him in the next few laps and gone on to win the race. Very short-sighted from him.

Hang on. Hamilton had already played the nice guy on lap 1. How many times does he need to? Everytime he goes wheel to wheel with the spoiled child?

Yes, after Silverstone it was clear that Lewis is not allowed to stand up to Max, he must allow MAx to push him around. If he doesnt , then Lewis must be penalised. Thats what it seems from a few Max fans

Lewis was at fault in Silverstone, there is no conspiracy against him

[El Scorchio]

Although for me it was very clearly Max's fault, it was super stupid of Lewis to take the risk. Max had everything to gain by them both going off.

If Hamilton had let him just go past he would have got him in the next few laps and gone on to win the race. Very short-sighted from him.

Hang on. Hamilton had already played the nice guy on lap 1. How many times does he need to? Everytime he goes wheel to wheel with the spoiled child?

In this situation, especially after now being on mediums he could have overtaken easily in the laps after. Instead, he chose to fight a fight where he could only lose. Them both not finishing is a dream result for Max as Hamilton was on for an easy win.

No-one at the front was able to overtake anyone. This is the reason Verstappen knew he could/would not come out of that corner behind Hamilton.

[Restomaniac]

Although for me it was very clearly Max's fault, it was super stupid of Lewis to take the risk. Max had everything to gain by them both going off.

If Hamilton had let him just go past he would have got him in the next few laps and gone on to win the race. Very short-sighted from him.

Hang on. Hamilton had already played the nice guy on lap 1. How many times does he need to? Everytime he goes wheel to wheel with the spoiled child?

In this situation, especially after now being on mediums he could have overtaken easily in the laps after. Instead, he chose to fight a fight where he could only lose. Them both not finishing is a dream result for Max as Hamilton was on for an easy win.

So Hamilton has to do it everytime then. How completely balanced if you.

[JordanMugen]

No-one at the front was able to overtake anyone. This is the reason Verstappen knew he could/would not come out of that corner behind Hamilton.

Well he had the run and he was fully alongside. So the "move was on" as Shane van Gisbergen would say.

[Incognito]

This is why Lewis Hamilton fans are the most illogical & crazy.

Let us not lie here. Hamilton didn't back out. He was behind & he tried to push Max out & since Max was ahead he was the one who had to go off track.

How do you push someone off when you are on the outside?

Hamilton had a cars width in Silverstone & was comfortably a full car length behind.

How do you crash into the side of someone if you a comfortably a full car length behind?

Yes...it's the Hamilton fans who are illogical and crazy...

Great race result for the boys in Papaya. Can't believe Perez wasn't told to give the place back though. Excellent result for Russel and Williams too. On to the next one!

[214270]

What about this gem: OCO gets a penalty forcing VET wide at 4, something LEC did to HAM a few yrs back (without penalty) when he won the race.

Stewarding is a complete joke, they haven’t got a clue.

Well- that was Ferrari in Monza for a race win, wasn't it!

I just want consistency. I don’t understand how the sport can continue this way.

[JordanMugen]

Can't believe Perez wasn't told to give the place back though.

For a renowned racer, Perez doesn't seem to have race smarts at time.

He should have given the place back of his own iniative...

[wesley123]

Racing incident, verstappen was entitled to space. Damon Hill making serious accusations

And just like in Silverstone, or many of Max' other incidents; That you can, doesn't mean that you should.

What he was trying here wasn't a move that was possible in any way, and considering the speed of the corner, he had quite a lot of time to back out.

Hamilton had every chance to back out and cordially concede the corner to Verstappen too.

Why would you concede a corner when you're ahead?

It seems, as PdR showed, HAM did not leave enough space for VER between the car and the apex of the corner. As Alonso says, a car's width has to be left considering that the cars were fully alongside.

It's not really a corner that you can take two wide. You already have to be ahead going into the corner to make a move stick.

[NathanOlder]

That's true, but it really seems that Hamilton does not have Verstappen's best interests at heart.

Why should he?

This is why I am on the fence on this one. Granted Lewis could leave more space, but also Verstappen would have done the same thing to Hamilton in a heartbeat. In fact, he did it on lap 1!

If Lewis gives Max room on the inside, Max then runs Lewis out on to the gravel for sure.

Max said in the pen Lewis only had to leave him room and Lewis would have got out of turn 2 ahead anyway. If that was the case why risk going wheel to wheel with Lewis if you were sure he would get you on the exit. What he said makes me think even more Max went in there hoping for contact.