2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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FIA Regulations
3.18.12.Blue lights at the Pit Lane exit: a fast Vehicle on the Track must be let
through

Blue flag for Lewis....

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Ricciardo had a chance to challenge Max yesterday in the sprint race and decided to back out of it with him later explaining there is no room for 2 cars at turn 2. Verstappen fully knows this but he went for the move anyway. Deserves a 3 to 5 grid drop for the next race. The guy never races fairly. I’m just so sick of it.

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I can't believe Verstappen gets away with it again. Will he ever be penalized?

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grubschumi13 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 17:23
Silverstone it was Lewis' fault. This one I got to say Max was at fault. Hamilton squeezed him but that corner does not have room to give even if Lewis tried to avoid. I do think the outcome of the race considering the starting grid, RBR and Max should be disappointed . Max should have led from the start and never looked back.

What Max said on the radio after betrayed his anger at events prior which in turn made him desperate. I think he will serve a penalty.
Good to see someone can still see it for what it is. I do judge it a racing incident, but with mainly Max to blame. Like Silverstone was a racing incident with mainly Lewis to blame.

They were not fully identical though; in Silverstone at least the defending driver left a gap, and more importantly, the outcome was more satisfactory in the sense that at least both got the DNF they deserved with these antics.

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Hammerfist wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 17:45
Ricciardo had a chance to challenge Max yesterday in the sprint race and decided to back out of it with him later explaining there is no room for 2 cars at turn 2. Verstappen fully knows this but he went for the move anyway. Deserves a 3 to 5 grid drop for the next race. The guy never races fairly. I’m just so sick of it.
completely agree

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Tvetovnato wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 17:43
I cannot believe what I am reading. For the first time, BOTH Marko and Horner says it was a racing indicent when Max is involved.
That means they think Max is bang to rights :lol:

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Shall we move on and be happy for Danny and the Macca boys and girls. Nice to see it happen

( I did say, this race was faaaaar from over yesterday and so it proved) No quarter given. The “smartest racer” with decent luck at critical junctures will win this championship. The cars are evenly matched by and large. What a treat

Nathanael F1
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Hamilton missed the T1 apex by some margin. Maybe he out-braked himself on cold tires or to squeeze Verstappen, or both.
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Verstappen was alongside. Not ahead, but definitely alongside. I don’t think anyone can argue otherwise.
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By running wide at T1, Hamilton did not leave enough space to navigate T2. But Verstappen always had at least 2 wheels on track. This is not a Japan 2018 situation as some people were suggesting.
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Neither driver is predominantly at fault, so it’s a racing incident.
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Gothrek wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 16:52
Pretty obvious this was going to happen. Last time Hamilton kicked Verstappen out of the race, so now he gets payback.
Both of them showing the other they will commit and are not afraid. Good for the show though.
On the incident itself, looks like racing incident to me. Both could have avoided it.
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On your assessment I think it's avoidable collision, based on what happened on lap 1 turn 4.
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RonMexico wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 17:35
dans79 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 17:34
RonMexico wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 17:21


What do you mean? They can't take an engine if he had a grid place drop penalty?
If a team decided to replace an entire engine they automatically are going to the back of the grid. If you do that at the same race you had a grid penalty, you would effectively be nullifying the grid penalty. The FIA isn't going to allow that they will give you the grid penalty at the next race then.
Is there a precedent for that situation or a specific rule?
Not specifically related to engines but their is this in the sporting rules.

47.3
If any of the four (4) penalties above are imposed upon a driver, and that driver is unable to
serve the penalty due to retirement from the sprint qualifying session or the race, the stewards
may impose a grid place penalty on the driver at his next race Even
basically if you get penalized, the fia is going to make sure you feel the pain of it.
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MV8
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The FIA will not penalize Max for that, imo the incident is 40-60 for Max
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Tvetovnato wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 17:43
I cannot believe what I am reading. For the first time, BOTH Marko and Horner says it was a racing indicent when Max is involved.
And that alone says it all.

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Verstappen's sense of entitlement grows every time he isn't penalized for stuff like this.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 17:41
RonMexico wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 17:39
This situation is quite similar to Austria 2016 when Rosberg and Hamilton tangled
You mean When Rosberg simply didn't turn in to the corner and tried to push Hamilton straight on and off track?

How is it similar to that? :?
It's a bit of a stretch to compare the two as identical, Hamilton went off the racing line to squeeze Verstappen. He delayed his turn in and wasn't close to the apex

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zeph wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 17:52
Verstappen's sense of entitlement grows every time he isn't penalized for stuff like this.
Why would he be penalized for racing?
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