2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

[El Scorchio]

No more arguments, whatever the point of view is, as the official decision is, "Max was predominantly at fault" and there is a penalty. Penalty accepted, Case closed. Onto the next one.

Not going to answer my question from earlier then ?

If only people had heeded their own words here after Silverstone eh, when they carried on for a full week after the stewards closed that case....

[Ryar]

No more arguments, whatever the point of view is, as the official decision is, "Max was predominantly at fault" and there is a penalty. Penalty accepted, Case closed. Onto the next one.

Not going to answer my question from earlier then ?

Like I said, whatever the point of view is, the official decision need to be accepted, whether you like it or not. I would leave it here, unlike most that didn't accept the official decision in silverstone.

[alexx_88]

If You read the stewards' motivation, Max was penalised not for what he did in the chicane, but for essentially dive bombing into T1. I'm a Max fan, but I think it's the right motivation for a penalty and the right decision

[El Scorchio]

Just mentioned that Ralf Schumacher who was commentating on the race said 'very clever' or words to those effect on seeing the incident. He certainly has experience of witnessing these things.

[proteus]

The best thing about clashing between Lewis and Max is that both went out on the spot. It should have happened in Silverstone allready, but what can we do... Both without any proper respect to each other and they should pay the price for it.

[ringo]

Grid drop and penalty points for Verstappen.

3 places. 2 points.

They did the right thing.

Should have been 5 places..
His comments after. very nasty. He didnt care at all if Lewis was okay.
I predicted this would happen and it will happen again only that someone will get hurt.
He is lucky Lewis is a clean and safe driver. Had this been norris or Perez or Ocon, we would be looking on a car ablaze or upsidedown.

[Nathanael F1]

The fact people here genuinely buy this ''Verstappen did it deliberately'' nonsense Hill and Herbert were paddling tells you all you need to know about the loyalties here.

I really like this paragraph from the stewards' document:

''But further, the
Stewards observed that Car 33 was not at all alongside Car 44 until significantly into
the entry into Turn 1. In the opinion of the Stewards, this manoeuvre was attempted
too late for the driver of Car 33 to have “the right to racing room”''

They must've been watching a different race today, I guess.

Indeed. During the race, Brundle was talking about how alongside means the front axle of the car behind vs. the rear axle of the car in front.

You can see here than Verstappen’s front axle is well ahead of the rear axle of Hamilton, well before Hamilton makes it to the apex of T1.


The stewards were definitely watching a different race if that’s their reasoning for the penalty.

[Shrieker]

I was expecting a 5 place grid drop at least. But in light of how they handled the previous 'transgressions' from driver #33, maybe we should be thankful a penalty was given at all.

[maxxer]

Di Resta still arguing the point. Goodness me...

Damon Hill talking sense, even if he has walked back a little from saying it was definitely deliberate.

Now they are also addressing that Verstappen didn't even look back. Di Resta making excuses for that as well.

Yeah that guy is really amazingly bad

[Shrieker]

Now the Hamilton fans suddenly care about drivers' wellbeing. RBR was relentlessly mocked for being angry over Hamilton celebrating for his home crowd after putting Verstappen in the wall.

This is nauseating. You know *exactly* who you are.

Hamilton inquired on the radio right after, about Max's well-being. You guys labelled it as lip service.

Let's assume it was. Max didn't even bother with that today.

[zeph]

I was expecting a 5 place grid drop at least. But in light of how they handled the previous 'transgressions' from driver #33, maybe we should be thankful a penalty was given at all.

Indeed.

[PlatinumZealot]

3 PLACE PENALTY. 2 PENALTY POINTS

Hmm, curious.

Stewards result correct

I would say incorrect, but oh well no big deal.

I imagine Red Bull will appeal, as I don't see how Verstappen can be judged to be at fault.

Your understanding of how the chicane works is the weirdest one I have seen yet. So how do you explain Lap 1 turn four? And Imola Lap 1? I know you won't change your view, but I really am curious .

You see, if Max were to take the chicane on a normal line with normal speed of trailing another driver, he wouldn't be alongside Lewis into Apex 1. We see he is less than alongside after the braking zone, (this is the point of judgment) then he carries higher than normal speed into the turn to end up close to Lewis rear view mirror (alongside). Colloquial term is "sticking your nose in." At this abnormal speed there is no way he makes the corner here without barging into Lewis on the exit. Since this is a chicane with Max entering AFTER Lewis, Lewis has a right to lock the door. This is how chicanes work. Lewis CANNOT give him space, because Max would simply barge Lewis off the road into the gravel trap on exit. Imagine if that is allowed that another driver enters the chicane last and barges another one off the road? Madness.

Again. See Lap 1 of this race. See Imola Lap 1. It's pretty clear I think. I was actually angry at Lewis for even trying to overtake there. I really saw it as an error because he could have had Max later on.

[Restomaniac]

Now the Hamilton fans suddenly care about drivers' wellbeing. RBR was relentlessly mocked for being angry over Hamilton celebrating for his home crowd after putting Verstappen in the wall.

This is nauseating. You know *exactly* who you are.

It seems you missed Hamilton asking his team if Verstappen was ok. So I’ll tell you that Hamilton asked if Verstappen was ok and was told that he was out the car.

That clear? Good.

[JordanMugen]

He is lucky Lewis is a clean and safe driver.

Ask Albon about that.. That assertion just doesn't seem correct.

Neither Hamilton nor Verstappen race as if they are owner-drivers in the style of Brabham or McLaren.

[NathanOlder]

3 PLACE PENALTY. 2 PENALTY POINTS

Hmm, curious.

Stewards result correct

I would say incorrect, but oh well no big deal.

I imagine Red Bull will appeal, as I don't see how Verstappen can be judged to be at fault.

Your understanding of how the chicane works is the weirdest one I have seen yet. So how do you explain Lap 1 turn four? And Imola Lap 1? I know you won't change your view, but I really am curious .

You see, if Max were to take the chicane on a normal line with normal speed of trailing another driver, he wouldn't be alongside Lewis into Apex 1. We see he is less than alongside after the braking zone, (this is the point of judgment) then he carries higher than normal speed into the turn to end up close to Lewis rear view mirror (alongside). Colloquial term is "sticking your nose in." At this abnormal speed there is no way he makes the corner here without barging into Lewis on the exit. Since this is a chicane with Max entering AFTER Lewis, Lewis has a right to lock the door. This is how chicanes work. Lewis CANNOT give him space, because Max would simply barge Lewis off the road into the gravel trap on exit. Imagine if that is allowed that another driver enters the chicane last and barges another one off the road? Madness.

Again. See Lap 1 of this race. See Imola Lap 1. It's pretty clear I think. I was actually angry at Lewis for even trying to overtake there. I really saw it as an error because he could have had Max later on.

I put that same question to Ryar, but she couldnt answer. The only attempt I got for an answer was from someone else saying "It was lap 1" . To which I replied so was the Silverstone incident but it didn't stop Lewis getting a penalty.