McLaren's Daniel Ricciardo has won the Italian Grand Prix ahead of team mate Lando Norris. As both title contenders again clashed and retired from the race, Valtteri Bottas had a brilliant recovery to finish third after starting from the back of the pack.
I honestly was never a fan of Max because of his dirty driving, but when two cars are side by side at turn 1, and then at turn 2 the driver on the outside doesn't leave enough space for the driver on the inside to make the corner without going over a sausage kerb, I really don't see how you can blame the one on the inside.
Hamilton knew he was on cold tyres and Max would therefore be faster and go by. He did what he thought he had to do to not let that happen.
strange how these rules never apply when max is in front and required to leave space
Hamilton is to blame, that he is too fair a racer.
Maybe he will learn from the crash and from now on push Verstappen straight onto the gravel. Max would have done it to him - in this case gravel is the run-off zone
Yeah I found that conclusion from him to be rather odd. If Lewis did what he said Lewis should have done (which is do what Max did to him on lap 1), I'm pretty sure Lewis would get handed a penalty there based on the penalties handed out in the previous races.
I also found the anaylsis odd. In part because he ignores that Max wasn't significantly alongside going into the corner, then as he described a decreaing space that max would be going for. That was saying Max was going for something that didnt exist because he wasn't in place, therefore late .. hmm where did we read that.
As for Lewis being further over, I agree with you. LH probably wouldnt take that risk.
He never fully did, he was half off track. Thats not making the corner.
So, he didn't turn right into turn one, and make it around? The accident was at the turn 2 entry?
He went half off track and over the sausage kerbs
...after making the turn, and having no room to move to the right. Thats not "carrying too much speed into a corner". That terminology is reserved for a non-made corner.
It literally seams that Max, whenever on the inside, feels entitled to the entire race track and "forces" Hamilton to back out of it, but when situations are reversed, he feels he has the right to some space and has no notion of backing out. The only reason they haven't crashed out 5-6 times this year is because Hamilton backing out of it when on the outside.
Hamilton is to blame, that he is too fair a racer.
Maybe he will learn from the crash and from now on push Verstappen straight onto the gravel. Max would have done it to him - in this case gravel is the run-off zone
This is not the conclusion of the video.
We had it over years when the GOAT was running some bad German driver on the outside wide on every second race and everyone here was cheering.
If you leave the space open, the other driver will go for it. Period.
As it is mentioned here...miscommunication. Ham was not aggressive on the brake with a super early breaking point (not unusual after the stop). He also was not aggressive on the line through T1....then suddenly he was aggressive in closing the inside.
I do not think this is "blame" it is just a weird penalty.
I honestly was never a fan of Max because of his dirty driving, but when two cars are side by side at turn 1, and then at turn 2 the driver on the outside doesn't leave enough space for the driver on the inside to make the corner without going over a sausage kerb, I really don't see how you can blame the one on the inside.
Hamilton knew he was on cold tyres and Max would therefore be faster and go by. He did what he thought he had to do to not let that happen.
Ultimately though, Verstappen made the decision they were going to crash. He could have bailed on the move and run across the kerbs like everyone else (including Hamilton) during the race did in the same or virtually identical situations in order to avoid contact and live to try again later in the race, but chose not to.
He'd never have taken that course of action or put his car in such jeopardy with any other driver, but because it was Hamilton it was 'If he doesn't get out of my way, then neither of us is making this corner.' as he knew it would put at least Hamilton if not both of them out of the race and be a net gain for him in the championship. The 'That's what you get' was a particularly telling comment.
So, he didn't turn right into turn one, and make it around? The accident was at the turn 2 entry?
He went half off track and over the sausage kerbs
...after making the turn, and having no room to move to the right. Thats not "carrying too much speed into a corner". That terminology is reserved for a non-made corner.
He was already going off track and continued and flew up over a kerb.
In Silverstone, they tried to make out lewis was going to fast, when easily made the corner and didn't have to resort to going off track like Max did.
I honestly was never a fan of Max because of his dirty driving, but when two cars are side by side at turn 1, and then at turn 2 the driver on the outside doesn't leave enough space for the driver on the inside to make the corner without going over a sausage kerb, I really don't see how you can blame the one on the inside.
Hamilton knew he was on cold tyres and Max would therefore be faster and go by. He did what he thought he had to do to not let that happen.
Ultimately though, Verstappen made the decision they were going to crash. He could have bailed on the move and run across the kerbs like everyone else (including Hamilton) during the race did in the same or virtually identical situations in order to avoid contact and live to try again later in the race, but chose not to.
He'd never have taken that course of action or put his car in such jeopardy with any other driver, but because it was Hamilton it was 'If he doesn't get out of my way, then neither of us is making this corner.' as he knew it would put at least Hamilton if not both of them out of the race and be a net gain for him in the championship. The 'That's what you get' was a particularly telling comment.
If that is what he thinks and they have evidence of it, then he needs a ban.
I honestly was never a fan of Max because of his dirty driving, but when two cars are side by side at turn 1, and then at turn 2 the driver on the outside doesn't leave enough space for the driver on the inside to make the corner without going over a sausage kerb, I really don't see how you can blame the one on the inside.
Hamilton knew he was on cold tyres and Max would therefore be faster and go by. He did what he thought he had to do to not let that happen.
Ultimately though, Verstappen made the decision they were going to crash. He could have bailed on the move and run across the kerbs like everyone else (including Hamilton) during the race did in the same or virtually identical situations in order to avoid contact and live to try again later in the race, but chose not to.
He'd never have taken that course of action or put his car in such jeopardy with any other driver, but because it was Hamilton it was 'If he doesn't get out of my way, then neither of us is making this corner.' as he knew it would put at least Hamilton if not both of them out of the race and be a net gain for him in the championship. The 'That's what you get' was a particularly telling comment.
Even if it was his decision for them to crash, that doesn't change the fact that Hamilton closed the gap.
Let's say they did crash in lap 1 when Max did the same to Hamilton. It would be Max's fault even if Hamilton didn't make the decision to avoid it.
To me it's that simple
I honestly was never a fan of Max because of his dirty driving, but when two cars are side by side at turn 1, and then at turn 2 the driver on the outside doesn't leave enough space for the driver on the inside to make the corner without going over a sausage kerb, I really don't see how you can blame the one on the inside.
Hamilton knew he was on cold tyres and Max would therefore be faster and go by. He did what he thought he had to do to not let that happen.
Ultimately though, Verstappen made the decision they were going to crash. He could have bailed on the move and run across the kerbs like everyone else (including Hamilton) during the race did in the same or virtually identical situations in order to avoid contact and live to try again later in the race, but chose not to.
He'd never have taken that course of action or put his car in such jeopardy with any other driver, but because it was Hamilton it was 'If he doesn't get out of my way, then neither of us is making this corner.' as he knew it would put at least Hamilton if not both of them out of the race and be a net gain for him in the championship. The 'That's what you get' was a particularly telling comment.
If that is what he thinks and they have evidence of it, then he needs a ban.
I think it's very hard to prove intent. Only Verstappen really knows. From looking at the footage I think such was his angle and speed that he wasn't making turn 2 and staying on the track regardless, although the telemetry would probably speak to whether that was the case or not. It didn't look like it to me and my feeling is you don't say something like that in the immediate aftermath of something that's accidental.
I honestly was never a fan of Max because of his dirty driving, but when two cars are side by side at turn 1, and then at turn 2 the driver on the outside doesn't leave enough space for the driver on the inside to make the corner without going over a sausage kerb, I really don't see how you can blame the one on the inside.
Hamilton knew he was on cold tyres and Max would therefore be faster and go by. He did what he thought he had to do to not let that happen.
Ultimately though, Verstappen made the decision they were going to crash. He could have bailed on the move and run across the kerbs like everyone else (including Hamilton) during the race did in the same or virtually identical situations in order to avoid contact and live to try again later in the race, but chose not to.
He'd never have taken that course of action or put his car in such jeopardy with any other driver, but because it was Hamilton it was 'If he doesn't get out of my way, then neither of us is making this corner.' as he knew it would put at least Hamilton if not both of them out of the race and be a net gain for him in the championship. The 'That's what you get' was a particularly telling comment.
Even if it was his decision for them to crash, that doesn't change the fact that Hamilton closed the gap.
Let's say they did crash in lap 1 when Max did the same to Hamilton. It would be Max's fault even if Hamilton didn't make the decision to avoid it.
To me it's that simple
Granted, but closing a gap happens all the time, and the other driver usually takes action in that situation to avoid contact- like Hamilton bailing out and going over the curbs on lap 1, like Leclerc going over the curbs later in the race, like Perez going over the curbs when he took that place which he got penalised for. Verstappen had that option but decided he was going to collide instead. Ask yourself, would he have done that yesterday and put himself out of the race if it were Ricciardo, Norris, Leclerc, Sainz or Bottas in Hamilton's position? I think we all know the answer is 'No'.
