A quick turnaround at the start and a tense battle for the lead earned Lewis Hamilton victory in the Brazilian Grand Prix. Max Verstappen was aggressive and eventually finished second, ahead of Mercedes' Bottas.
+5 sounds unlikely to me. They were able to use some old parts for an ICE-only change once, but twice... where are they supposed to come from?! From an old Friday engine? Can't see it happen. Should be a full new unit - if they really take a penalty at all.
A brand new ICE is +5 positions. He has enough ERS and ES to use as they are OK.
It's my native language so word for word:godlameroso wrote: ↑11 Nov 2021, 20:45Rough translation, water pressure issue? Hamilton taking another ICE?
Grid penalties are served in main race.Manoah2u wrote: ↑11 Nov 2021, 22:09Hamilton can still manage a P1. The rain can just as much ruin Verstappen's lap and Hamilton/Bottas can have a perfect moment lap and be comfortable P1 and P2. He could start from P6 still, and it's likely from P6 he'll climb the field to guarantee a podium finish and not unlikely be P2.
does the grid penalty get served @ the sprint race or @ the main race?
i thought i remember that the sprint race is officially 'qualification' and afaik there ain't no penalties taken there, so am i to assume he can take a brand new engine, get pole and win and grab a point, then find himself in the main race starting P6 and finish P2 - likely behind Max - set the fastest lap and grab another point. Max grabs 27 points (P2 in sprint), Lewis grabs 22 points (p2 in main). Max would then extend his lead with 5 points in this scenario.
That would mean Max would have a 24 points lead on Hamilton with 3 races to go ( i missed one race somehow before ). He needs to score 8 points over Max every race just to be even, and if they end up even, Max would still win due to win count. The difference between P1 and P2 is 7 points, so even if Lewis wins every single GP after Brazil, AND manages to get the fastest lap (which is going to be impossible, as Marko would sacrifice Perez, Gasly or Tsunoda for that), he still won't make it.
Meaning the only chance for Hamilton to win the WDC is if Verstappen finishes a race in P3 instead of P2.
That said, anything can still happen and it's more likely to happen here @ Brazil.
Also, it's a tactical smart and sound decision to take a penalty here, especially if it's raining during qually and sprint race.
not only are incidents more likely, and with that safety cars perhaps even red flags, which increases chances on gaining.
for those in front you lose your gap, for those behind you win that. a lucky timed pitstop can even turn the tables.
And yes, Max can also get a DNF.
They have made quite a few mistakes. They haven't been flawless.AMG.Tzan wrote: ↑11 Nov 2021, 23:50What an embarrassing championship by Mercedes...
Can't believe Mercedes are the ones that can't make it with 3-4 engines and need more! Honda was the one that had such issues in the past years yet they've managed to solve everything for 2021! Maybe it's time Mercedes says goodbye to the 2021 titles and gets fully loaded for 2022...
Anyway, on the race front! Scrolling through Twitter I read that Mercedes won't be able to use the clever rear suspension so much because Turn 6 is quite fast...that means that they won't be fast enough down the straights to recover time lost through S2! A penalty for Hamilton makes this a foregone conclusion for Max and Red Bull since both haven't made any mistakes all year long like Mercedes!
Ehmmm Verstappen and Perez both have served penalties for their 4th engines so i dunno what you're talking about.
You very well know the reason behind Red Bull's engine change Vs Mercedes'.
Manoah2u wrote: ↑11 Nov 2021, 22:09Hamilton can still manage a P1. The rain can just as much ruin Verstappen's lap and Hamilton/Bottas can have a perfect moment lap and be comfortable P1 and P2. He could start from P6 still, and it's likely from P6 he'll climb the field to guarantee a podium finish and not unlikely be P2.
does the grid penalty get served @ the sprint race or @ the main race?
i thought i remember that the sprint race is officially 'qualification' and afaik there ain't no penalties taken there, so am i to assume he can take a brand new engine, get pole and win and grab a point, then find himself in the main race starting P6 and finish P2 - likely behind Max - set the fastest lap and grab another point. Max grabs 27 points (P2 in sprint), Lewis grabs 22 points (p2 in main). Max would then extend his lead with 5 points in this scenario.
That would mean Max would have a 24 points lead on Hamilton with 3 races to go ( i missed one race somehow before ). He needs to score 8 points over Max every race just to be even, and if they end up even, Max would still win due to win count. The difference between P1 and P2 is 7 points, so even if Lewis wins every single GP after Brazil, AND manages to get the fastest lap (which is going to be impossible, as Marko would sacrifice Perez, Gasly or Tsunoda for that), he still won't make it.
Meaning the only chance for Hamilton to win the WDC is if Verstappen finishes a race in P3 instead of P2.
That said, anything can still happen and it's more likely to happen here @ Brazil.
Also, it's a tactical smart and sound decision to take a penalty here, especially if it's raining during qually and sprint race.
not only are incidents more likely, and with that safety cars perhaps even red flags, which increases chances on gaining.
for those in front you lose your gap, for those behind you win that. a lucky timed pitstop can even turn the tables.
And yes, Max can also get a DNF.
Manoah2u wrote: ↑11 Nov 2021, 22:09Hamilton can still manage a P1. The rain can just as much ruin Verstappen's lap and Hamilton/Bottas can have a perfect moment lap and be comfortable P1 and P2. He could start from P6 still, and it's likely from P6 he'll climb the field to guarantee a podium finish and not unlikely be P2.
does the grid penalty get served @ the sprint race or @ the main race?
i thought i remember that the sprint race is officially 'qualification' and afaik there ain't no penalties taken there, so am i to assume he can take a brand new engine, get pole and win and grab a point, then find himself in the main race starting P6 and finish P2 - likely behind Max - set the fastest lap and grab another point. Max grabs 27 points (P2 in sprint), Lewis grabs 22 points (p2 in main). Max would then extend his lead with 5 points in this scenario.
That would mean Max would have a 24 points lead on Hamilton with 3 races to go ( i missed one race somehow before ). He needs to score 8 points over Max every race just to be even, and if they end up even, Max would still win due to win count. The difference between P1 and P2 is 7 points, so even if Lewis wins every single GP after Brazil, AND manages to get the fastest lap (which is going to be impossible, as Marko would sacrifice Perez, Gasly or Tsunoda for that), he still won't make it.
Meaning the only chance for Hamilton to win the WDC is if Verstappen finishes a race in P3 instead of P2.
That said, anything can still happen and it's more likely to happen here @ Brazil.
Also, it's a tactical smart and sound decision to take a penalty here, especially if it's raining during qually and sprint race.
not only are incidents more likely, and with that safety cars perhaps even red flags, which increases chances on gaining.
for those in front you lose your gap, for those behind you win that. a lucky timed pitstop can even turn the tables.
And yes, Max can also get a DNF.
Send this to Ron Howard. You have %50 chance.Manoah2u wrote: ↑11 Nov 2021, 22:09Hamilton can still manage a P1. The rain can just as much ruin Verstappen's lap and Hamilton/Bottas can have a perfect moment lap and be comfortable P1 and P2. He could start from P6 still, and it's likely from P6 he'll climb the field to guarantee a podium finish and not unlikely be P2.
does the grid penalty get served @ the sprint race or @ the main race?
i thought i remember that the sprint race is officially 'qualification' and afaik there ain't no penalties taken there, so am i to assume he can take a brand new engine, get pole and win and grab a point, then find himself in the main race starting P6 and finish P2 - likely behind Max - set the fastest lap and grab another point. Max grabs 27 points (P2 in sprint), Lewis grabs 22 points (p2 in main). Max would then extend his lead with 5 points in this scenario.
That would mean Max would have a 24 points lead on Hamilton with 3 races to go ( i missed one race somehow before ). He needs to score 8 points over Max every race just to be even, and if they end up even, Max would still win due to win count. The difference between P1 and P2 is 7 points, so even if Lewis wins every single GP after Brazil, AND manages to get the fastest lap (which is going to be impossible, as Marko would sacrifice Perez, Gasly or Tsunoda for that), he still won't make it.
Meaning the only chance for Hamilton to win the WDC is if Verstappen finishes a race in P3 instead of P2.
That said, anything can still happen and it's more likely to happen here @ Brazil.
Also, it's a tactical smart and sound decision to take a penalty here, especially if it's raining during qually and sprint race.
not only are incidents more likely, and with that safety cars perhaps even red flags, which increases chances on gaining.
for those in front you lose your gap, for those behind you win that. a lucky timed pitstop can even turn the tables.
And yes, Max can also get a DNF.
Actually, after their magnificent debut in 2014, Merc powerunit development already slowed down in the years after. In 2019 all 4 were pretty equal, altough one was burning more fuel than others…AMG.Tzan wrote: ↑11 Nov 2021, 23:50What an embarrassing championship by Mercedes...
Can't believe Mercedes are the ones that can't make it with 3-4 engines and need more! Honda was the one that had such issues in the past years yet they've managed to solve everything for 2021! Maybe it's time Mercedes says goodbye to the 2021 titles and gets fully loaded for 2022...
Anyway, on the race front! Scrolling through Twitter I read that Mercedes won't be able to use the clever rear suspension so much because Turn 6 is quite fast...that means that they won't be fast enough down the straights to recover time lost through S2! A penalty for Hamilton makes this a foregone conclusion for Max and Red Bull since both haven't made any mistakes all year long like Mercedes!
