2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[Magicsenna_41]

I see just the 2 Honda teams in the speed traps and more so I didn`t see HAM in the top 6 in the most important :

http://postimg.cc/LY54vZy6

'Stellar clinical'-Horners statements become more and more ridicolous checking these stats.

[djones]

In terms of what power engines lose over time the truth is we will never know. I’d be surprised if they are not all very similar.

If we ran the same race next weekend and Redbull took some wing off it would look like the engine had gained power. That example shows from race to race it’s super hard to try plot an engine trend.

[the poster below]

Maybe they'll now penalise Webber for taking his helmet off

[ArcticWolfie]

I don't understand everybody here complaining about the "incident" between MV and Hamilton in turn 4. Yes Verstappen braked too late, but didn't turn into Hamilton on purpose and they both went off. Verstappen corrected accordingly and Hamilton was a bit more cautious and took the wider line... nothing to get so worked up about. The B/W flag later on was totally justified though.

I'm more astonished by the Merc's topspeed... 15kph advantage without DRS, that's ridiculous.

[turbof1]

I see just the 2 Honda teams in the speed traps and more so I didn`t see HAM in the top 6 in the most important :

http://postimg.cc/LY54vZy6

'Stellar clinical'-Horners statements become more and more ridicolous checking these stats.

I am not getting into the Horner statements (I haven't checked them really), but these numbers don't tell for instance the acceleration.

[AeroDynamic]

I don't understand everybody here complaining about the "incident" between MV and Hamilton in turn 4. Yes Verstappen braked too late, but didn't turn into Hamilton on purpose and they both went off. Verstappen corrected accordingly and Hamilton was a bit more cautious and took the wider line... nothing to get so worked up about. The B/W flag later on was totally justified though.

I'm more astonished by the Merc's topspeed... 15kph advantage without DRS, that's ridiculous.

Really? If you don’t make the corner and go off track as much as max did, and impede a driver ahead in the process, then that is not being in control of your car. If max did that to max = probably a dnf for both.

[Restomaniac]

We need to remember that the other engines are not standing still, they are loosing performance too, even the honda.
How long has Max had his newest engine? From Russia?
That was many races ago and that engine has been through a lot. If brand new honda has 980 hp and a brand new Benz has 1000hp. Max is probably at 950 hp now with his engine vs Hamilton's 1000hp. That's a 50hp difference down to just wear.
That Benz engine is not better than the previous specification its just relative performance. Also...Because it has less races to cover mercedes can also spice it up and add a little bit more boost to bring it to 1060hp, like it used to do when all teams were allowed to have qualifying modes.
So they are able to have a 110 horsepower advantage just by basic engine mode and the fact the honda has worn down.

Will Max take an engine penalty in the next race?

It's been talked about that the Honda has superior power degradation than the Merc. Merc's achilles heel this season is that the engine loses too much power throughout its life cycle. Honda comparatively only loses 10 percent of power at the end of its life. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this but I remember reading this.
So imo we cannot predict if Merc's newfound advantage will last until Abu Dhabi.

True but as it approaches the end of the season both CAN turn them up to 11,12,13, etc. However would you rather do that on a 1 race old engine or one that’s well worn? RedBull May HAVE to take a new ICE and if so Merc can just go like for like and with races running out the drop off stops being an issue.

[Noble29]

Go on then, which of the usual culprits is going to suggest Lewis should have the win taken away from him due to undoing his seatbelts on the inlap after the race?!

[Elchueco]

Just to put some context I have been watching F1 since the 70's and this performance of the Mercedes power unit is obviously not possible without some tricky stuff going inside.
The power differential was massive compared to others Mercedes supplied teams that cant even dream with the downforce levels the Toto Wolf cars enjoined. This tale of the engine being "fresh" is nonsense, I cant believe everybody is buying that. The only similar situation we can relate to is the Ferrari tampering with the fuel flow sensor a couple of years ago. They had the same power increase out of nowhere and the straight line speed was making the rest of the field look like F2 series cars, the same that happened yesterday and today with Hamilton.
I think they feel the championship was sliding away and decided to go the Ferrari route regardless of the consequences. Is very sad for the F1 fans that really want a fair competition and not a commercial show where the powerful teams seems to always escape unharmed after cheating.

[zibby43]

Go on then, which of the usual culprits is going to suggest Lewis should have the win taken away from him due to undoing his seatbelts on the inlap after the race?!

Haha everyone knows better on that one.

Maybe a fine, at most.

You just KNOW it was RBR who referred that to the stewards out of pure bitterness. Well played to them I guess?

[politburo]

We need to remember that the other engines are not standing still, they are loosing performance too, even the honda.
How long has Max had his newest engine? From Russia?
That was many races ago and that engine has been through a lot. If brand new honda has 980 hp and a brand new Benz has 1000hp. Max is probably at 950 hp now with his engine vs Hamilton's 1000hp. That's a 50hp difference down to just wear.
That Benz engine is not better than the previous specification its just relative performance. Also...Because it has less races to cover mercedes can also spice it up and add a little bit more boost to bring it to 1060hp, like it used to do when all teams were allowed to have qualifying modes.
So they are able to have a 110 horsepower advantage just by basic engine mode and the fact the honda has worn down.

Will Max take an engine penalty in the next race?

Qatar will be a typical medium-high speed cornering track, Like Hungary or Portimao. We all saw how good the W12 was in Hungary and Portimao. Also 1 straight which is 1+ Kilometre long, MotoGP reaches speeds of 340 km/hr easily, comparing this to other tracks such as Austria, Silverstone and Catalunya, F1 cars should be doing 320 km/hr with DRS even with a larger rear wings.

That being said, they should take the penalty. I think this track will give good overtaking opportunities even it is hard to follow.

[ringo]

Hey may even be penalized for stopping dangerously at the circuit to collect a Brazilian flag.
And F-1 is not a political sport, and a flag is a political statement... so 5 grid spot penalty for the next race!!

[holeindalip]

Oh geez… Hamilton summoned to stewards for removing seatbelt on cool down lap now….

[JPower]

That might've been Ferrari's best race of the season. Everything went well for them outside of Sainz's start.

[straightline]

I don't understand everybody here complaining about the "incident" between MV and Hamilton in turn 4. Yes Verstappen braked too late, but didn't turn into Hamilton on purpose and they both went off. Verstappen corrected accordingly and Hamilton was a bit more cautious and took the wider line... nothing to get so worked up about. The B/W flag later on was totally justified though.

isn’t it Max’ duty, to leave at least one car width of room?
going wide was his way to keep his position. it wasn’t legit, but the best thing he could do