2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[NathanOlder]

Max had to close the inside line several times into turn 1. It was what gave Hamilton the shot at turn 5 as 2 3 and 4 are then compromised. Hamilton breezed passed everyone bar the bulls and in the end had more than enough for them too.

several times Max covered the inside in to turn 1 for no reason, Lewis wasn't close enough. This is what gave Lewis a better run through 2 and 3 to pass in to 4. Not sure why Max was taking the tighter line when he didn't need to, or was he worried about Lewis making a dive bomb lunge in to turn 1?

I think so yes. The overspeed at that point was the biggest. Only time so far we seem to agree that perhaps Max shouldn’t have tried to cover that off. But I am sure you’ll use it against me, or him. It seems to be what this forum is about these days. Ah, even before I could actually post the vile has already drivelled in.

not using anything against you, was just asking a question and you answered with your opinion, thank you.

[straightline]

https://streamja.com/zPZAM
Why LH is moving the steering wheel back and forth? DAS was banned for 2021 Maybe it's a new system?

I am no engineer, but I guess the answer is pretty simple. If you head down a straight with nearly 300km/h and then jump on the brakes, there is quite a bit of force on the pedal. To get that force you need to create quite a bit of pressure on the peddal. as the stearing wheel is the other point of contact, this is where you react. Grip it hard to brake hard.
Do you have onboard footage of all the other drivers? I would suspect that this is the case for most of them. A few could grip the seat with their a**, personally I would prefer the steering wheel as well

[ringo]

Yuki was penalized and Max wasnt.
What's stands out was the stewards shot down any chance of a thorough investigation by dismissing the incident.
They did not even have sufficient data. It was just noted and dismissed. I believe there is some kind of secret mandate to prevent Mercedes from being champions this year, from the floor regs, the engine rules, and engine modes. The attempts to slow them down have been building for some time now. It has now gone as far to simply throw the book at them and ignore any judgement that would work for them.
I am actually very concerned for the remaining races.
I wouldn't be surprised if Max got a new engine and the FIA let him avoid a 5 place grid penalty because the previous engine got damage during shipping or some crazy reason like that.

[Jolle]

https://streamable.com/zo111f

Steering wheel stop working mid-corner, or what?

credit to u/kj-ka- for the stabilization

Is it just me or does it look like he opened the steering right after the apex to run Hamilton wide? (look at the front wheels)

[Marty_Y]

Max had to close the inside line several times into turn 1. It was what gave Hamilton the shot at turn 5 as 2 3 and 4 are then compromised. Hamilton breezed passed everyone bar the bulls and in the end had more than enough for them too.

several times Max covered the inside in to turn 1 for no reason, Lewis wasn't close enough. This is what gave Lewis a better run through 2 and 3 to pass in to 4. Not sure why Max was taking the tighter line when he didn't need to, or was he worried about Lewis making a dive bomb lunge in to turn 1?

I think so yes. The overspeed at that point was the biggest. Only time so far we seem to agree that perhaps Max shouldn’t have tried to cover that off. But I am sure you’ll use it against me, or him. It seems to be what this forum is about these days. Ah, even before I could actually post the vile has already drivelled in.

You really can’t get a 30 kmh speed difference from a fresh engine. Set up doesn’t explain it too as they ran quite a big wing.

I saw on the telemetry data Lewis was 339 to Checo 304 and Max similar end of the straight in the attack. Yes with tow and DRS but this has not been witnessed all season long. They are doing something with the Wing, not only the DRS gap being too big which they got caught with.

Toto said it before the weekend “we go all in”.

I hope RBR can find & proof it before it is too late.

Sorry but that's a bit rich, one minute you're complaining about vile, and at the same time accusing Mercedes of cheating,

The rear wing failed the test by 0.2mm in one place, and was replaced with one that passed all tests, so there is no proof to find I'm afraid.

[Sieper]

several times Max covered the inside in to turn 1 for no reason, Lewis wasn't close enough. This is what gave Lewis a better run through 2 and 3 to pass in to 4. Not sure why Max was taking the tighter line when he didn't need to, or was he worried about Lewis making a dive bomb lunge in to turn 1?

I think so yes. The overspeed at that point was the biggest. Only time so far we seem to agree that perhaps Max shouldn’t have tried to cover that off. But I am sure you’ll use it against me, or him. It seems to be what this forum is about these days. Ah, even before I could actually post the vile has already drivelled in.

You really can’t get a 30 kmh speed difference from a fresh engine. Set up doesn’t explain it too as they ran quite a big wing.

I saw on the telemetry data Lewis was 339 to Checo 304 and Max similar end of the straight in the attack. Yes with tow and DRS but this has not been witnessed all season long. They are doing something with the Wing, not only the DRS gap being too big which they got caught with.

Toto said it before the weekend “we go all in”.

I hope RBR can find & proof it before it is too late.

Sorry but that's a bit rich, one minute you're complaining about vile, and at the same time accusing Mercedes of cheating,

The rear wing failed the test by 0.2mm in one place, and was replaced with one that passed all tests, so there is no proof to find I'm afraid.

Mercedes had been proven to fail the test. They were DSQed. So you don’t have to be afraid, they actually were cheating with their DRS. I don’t buy the fresh engine story no.

If you have this much advantage with a fresh engine, you can start dead last in a sprint race and P10 in any main race (even without a tire advantage) and still win dominantly. So then race 23 engines. Or 12 if you don’t want to be greedy.

[F1PuertoRico]

Laughable statement. A failing part is now " cheating".

[JPower]

I think so yes. The overspeed at that point was the biggest. Only time so far we seem to agree that perhaps Max shouldn’t have tried to cover that off. But I am sure you’ll use it against me, or him. It seems to be what this forum is about these days. Ah, even before I could actually post the vile has already drivelled in.

You really can’t get a 30 kmh speed difference from a fresh engine. Set up doesn’t explain it too as they ran quite a big wing.

I saw on the telemetry data Lewis was 339 to Checo 304 and Max similar end of the straight in the attack. Yes with tow and DRS but this has not been witnessed all season long. They are doing something with the Wing, not only the DRS gap being too big which they got caught with.

Toto said it before the weekend “we go all in”.

I hope RBR can find & proof it before it is too late.

Sorry but that's a bit rich, one minute you're complaining about vile, and at the same time accusing Mercedes of cheating,

The rear wing failed the test by 0.2mm in one place, and was replaced with one that passed all tests, so there is no proof to find I'm afraid.

Mercedes had been proven to fail the test. They were DSQed. So you don’t have to be afraid, they actually were cheating with their DRS. I don’t buy the fresh engine story no.

If you have this much advantage with a fresh engine, you can start dead last in a sprint race and P10 in any main race (even without a tire advantage) and still win dominantly. So then race 23 engines. Or 12 if you don’t want to be greedy.

Failing a test isn't cheating.

[Sieper]

Laughable statement. A failing part is now " cheating".

A failing part. That is one way to call it. They were DSQed. The DSQed party always has some kind of explanation on the ready, doesn’t mean you can’t call it as it is. If you are not playing by the same rules that is called cheating.

[f1jcw]

Laughable statement. A failing part is now " cheating".

A failing part. That is one way to call it. They were DSQed. The DSQed party always has some kind of explanation on the ready, doesn’t mean you can’t call it as it is. If you are not playing by the same rules that is called cheating.

embarrasing.

[holeindalip]

Laughable statement. A failing part is now " cheating".

A failing part. That is one way to call it. They were DSQed. The DSQed party always has some kind of explanation on the ready, doesn’t mean you can’t call it as it is. If you are not playing by the same rules that is called cheating.

Yeah, the legal rear wing really slowed him down didn’t it….

[dans79]

@Sieper you aren't doing yourself any favors by complaining about something, and then turning around and doing that very thing a few minutes later.

[Marty_Y]

Laughable statement. A failing part is now " cheating".

A failing part. That is one way to call it. They were DSQed. The DSQed party always has some kind of explanation on the ready, doesn’t mean you can’t call it as it is. If you are not playing by the same rules that is called cheating.

Even by your twisted logic, they took the penalty, replaced the failed part with one that passed all of the tests and then wiped the floor with Red Bull.

So all tests were passed, the car was totally legal and despite Max's underhanded tactics Lewis won.

[Sieper]

@Sieper you aren't doing yourself any favors by complaining about something, and then turning around and doing that very thing a few minutes later.

I have not done anything unfavourable. I just call it as it is. There have been a few DSQs over the years, and always the DSQed party has a story, why it was just a 0,0001 spike, there actually was fuel left, it was wear. These are rules of the game we are playing. If you fail a straight cut test that you must adhere to at all times, that is cheating. You should have prevented that and you did not. It happened to many teams not just Mercedes on Saturday.

[Marty_Y]

@Sieper you aren't doing yourself any favors by complaining about something, and then turning around and doing that very thing a few minutes later.

I have not done anything unfavourable. I just call it as it is. There have been a few DSQs over the years, and always the DSQed party has a story, why it was just a 0,0001 spike, there actually was fuel left, it was wear. These are rules of the game we are playing. If you fail a straight cut test that you must adhere to at all times, that is cheating. You should have prevented that and you did not. It happened to many teams not just Mercedes on Saturday.

Red Bull changed parts, presumably because they failed, is that cheating as well?