2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[pantherxxx]

Verstappen is an innocent man, because he was ahead of the apex. Prove me wrong.

[AeroDynamic]

Its funny some people trying to bring up SIlverstone

If Max had done the same as what Lewis did in Imola, Portagul, Spain, Silverstone and Brazil and just run wide and concede the place to Lewis, THEN he would have had a 32 points in lead now going into the last 3 races

100.

max has to win this championship. I doubt –if he loses the title– that he will sit there and say 'its all bottas' fault'

no. this is racing, and sometimes you get caught up in the ---. its out of your control. No point spending energy on it, you can't grow from that.

But Silverstone was in his control, its not rocket science; if someone is going in hot on a move against you; give some allowance. Don't rely on them to look after your championship lead for you, its not in their interest to think about how you come out of the move. Don't squeeze up to somebody that might have just ever so lightly misjudged it. Give allowance for that, if you don't want to be DNF'd. The ball is in your hands. always. Max decided to fight back hard for the corner, and you guessed it, the car he wanted to dictate space to, wasn't operating in the margins he tries to define. That --- don't play. This is why Carlos Sainz and Max made contact in the sprint in the same scenario except max bailed out before it was too late, cause he was about to get bonked off the track again for trying to throw his weight around in a corner.

as I said, if he loses the title by a few points, he will have to ask himself 'what was in my control, what could I have done differently to get those points that I needed?'

he could've taken the L rather than the risk in Silverstone; he could afford to bring the car and a result home to bag 18 pts. and thats only after having more go's at lewis to get the position back on the next corner, or the next lap, or even in the pits.

Max played himself. he has to learn, a championship is not won in 1 corner or 1 result. when you got 30 pts, just play the game, play your position and win the title. Don't throw it away with trifling moves that you don't need to make. That was Lewis' position; he needed to make some ground and try things, DNFing with an aggressor when you got it all to Lose is just silly.

thankfully it sounds like Marko has spoke some sense to the kid, cause all I heard out of their camp in the last couple weeks was talk about "if max wins the next 2, he can just take p2 finishes " Marko isn't stupid.

[dans79]

https://i.imgur.com/y3OLKLi.jpeg

Verstappen is an innocent man, because he was ahead of the apex. Prove me wrong.

You realize that's not applicable when you don't actually make the corner yourself right?

[AeroDynamic]

https://i.imgur.com/y3OLKLi.jpeg

Verstappen is an innocent man, because he was ahead of the apex. Prove me wrong.

this diagram is exactly why lewis did nothing wrong at Silverstone.

the key difference is, max was not alongside the competitors axel enough in the breaking zone at Interlagos, Lewis was in Silverstone; max pulled ahead in Silverstone on the outside at the end of the breaking zone, but lewis already won entitlement to the corner to dictate the line.

In Interlagos, Max was behind and arrived alongside too late, just like in Monza. you cannot kamikaze into a corner at the last second, you have to 'be there' in the breaking zone area, the 100-50 yard boards etc. that's the basis of why they penalised Max in Monza.

[Restomaniac]

https://i.imgur.com/y3OLKLi.jpeg

Verstappen is an innocent man, because he was ahead of the apex. Prove me wrong.

Now show me where the red car is 5 car widths outside the corner. Oh no wait you can’t.

[nimoraca]

https://i.imgur.com/y3OLKLi.jpeg

Verstappen is an innocent man, because he was ahead of the apex. Prove me wrong.

Its easy to prove you wrong. Max was not ahead at the breaking point. Its easy to get ahead into the apex by not breaking for the corner (which is what Max did) which led to him not making the corner and by doing so, he gained an advantage.

[nimoraca]

Interestingly, Max actually did three things here that where have been penalized in the previous races this year:
1. Went off track and gained lasting advantage.
2. Forced another driver off track.
3. Missed the apex (remember Hamilton penalty in Silverstone ).
Its incredible how low wheel to wheel racing standards haven fallen inside Red Bull with Christian Horner calling this fantastic defensive driving.

[Jolle]

I watched the onboards a couple of times. Verstappen even stomps on the gas when he's off track, oversteering to the outside even more.

[fourmula1]

My personal take on this and other similar incidents is that it is simply just poor quality racing. F1 has allowed the quality of on track racing to be dumbed down. We can debate all day who how far along one car was vs. the other, how much braking they did or didn't do, steering input, driver intent, etc. And maybe that's what F1 wants, maybe this is better marketing than good quality racing?

Force the drivers to stay on track, use physical barriers and penalties, and in situations like these the battle will continue into the next few corners. Make them race side by side!

Lastly, no one wants a race to be decided by a penalty or steward decision, especially when it is not always black and white. This is a conundrum we find ourselves in only because we've allowed these types of moves to occur. Make it non-debatable - force them to stay on track.

[NathanOlder]

https://i.imgur.com/y3OLKLi.jpeg

Verstappen is an innocent man, because he was ahead of the apex. Prove me wrong.

He has to make the corner for it to be legal, are you completely blind?

[Just_a_fan]

https://i.imgur.com/y3OLKLi.jpeg

Verstappen is an innocent man, because he was ahead of the apex. Prove me wrong.

So any driver that dive bombs another is automatically in the right?

Here's a little clue for you - the picture says if the driver on the inside is ahead "at the exit". You mention the apex. Different situation entirely. Hence you're wrong. QED.

[GrizzleBoy]

I watched the onboards a couple of times. Verstappen even stomps on the gas when he's off track, oversteering to the outside even more.

He does it before he even goes off track.

He's busy thinking hes hanging Lewis out to dry, dawdling around with his car facing 90 degrees across the track, looking to his right the whole time.

As soon as he sees Hamilton give up trying to turn in to make the corner(because there's a car blocking the road) he absolutely stomps on the gas while his car is still on a trajectory taking him directly off the track because he knows Hamilton can carry momentum while off the track and use it on the run down to the next corner.

[Shrieker]

https://i.imgur.com/y3OLKLi.jpeg

Verstappen is an innocent man, because he was ahead of the apex. Prove me wrong.

[holeindalip]

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Verstappen is an innocent man, because he was ahead of the apex. Prove me wrong.

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“All the time, you have to leave the room"

[AeroDynamic]

https://i.imgur.com/y3OLKLi.jpeg

Verstappen is an innocent man, because he was ahead of the apex. Prove me wrong.

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