2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

[Big Tea]

you are making up your own facts. just listen... "sent to RC AND driver display panel."
the biggest problem here is selective listening

But none of that matters. The flag was there so had to be obeyed

Yes, the simpleton view, why it happened, criticizing the failure and understanding the contributing variables is not important. technicalities are not sensational.
what is more important is who gets effected by this.
might as well save cost and scrap the system.
guess it's a "show"

Do you use sat-nav? I hope you do not follow it blindly. If it looks like you are turning into a river, there just may be a river there

[dans79]

So there was a rouge marshal, Horner was just not supposed to say it.

So you skipped over this part?

The Stewards explained that the marshal concerned was doing his job in precisely the
manner prescribed in the International Sporting Code

[RZS10]

Why are you all wasting your time?

[Chene_Mostert]

So there was a rouge marshal, Horner was just not supposed to say it.

If you could just point to precisely where the document makes that statement...

It does not point "precisely" to that,typical of all FIA statements, (They never pointed out precisely that Ferrari cheated with their PU).

Breach of Article 12.2.1 f) and 12.2.1 k) of the FIA International Sporting Code. means Horner made a statement that brought the sport in disrepute.

The inference thus is that he is reprimanded for not shutting up.

[Chene_Mostert]

But none of that matters. The flag was there so had to be obeyed

Yes, the simpleton view, why it happened, criticizing the failure and understanding the contributing variables is not important. technicalities are not sensational.
what is more important is who gets effected by this.
might as well save cost and scrap the system.
guess it's a "show"

Do you use sat-nav? I hope you do not follow it blindly. If it looks like you are turning into a river, there just may be a river there

my satnav does not say "turn" left, but displays go straight. its coordinate.
if it does that it means the satnav system had a system failure.

[Incognito]

So there was a rouge marshal, Horner was just not supposed to say it.

If you could just point to precisely where the document makes that statement...

It does not point "precisely" to that,typical of all FIA statements, (They never pointed out precisely that Ferrari cheated with their PU).

Breach of Article 12.2.1 f) and 12.2.1 k) of the FIA International Sporting Code. means Horner made a statement that brought the sport in disrepute.

The inference thus is that he is reprimanded for not shutting up.

Inference? What inference?

"The Stewards heard from the Team Principal (Christian Horner). He explained that
his reaction was one that was made under the pressure of competition following the
penalty imposed on the driver of Car 33.

The Stewards explained that the marshal concerned was doing his job in precisely the
manner prescribed in the International Sporting Code.

Mr Horner offered to apologise to the marshal concerned and to explain to the media
that he meant no offense."

Horner himself clearly stated that he was wrong. And apologised for being wrong. And the Stewards confirm the Marshal acted correctly.

I look forward to seeing how you manage to weave this into your "It's strong leadership to blame the Marshal" conspiracy theory...It's better entertainment than the race was.

[Big Tea]

Yes, the simplistic view, why it happened, criticizing the failure and understanding the contributing variables is not important. technicalities are not sensational.
what is more important is who gets effected by this.
might as well save cost and scrap the system.
guess it's a "show"

Do you use sat-nav? I hope you do not follow it blindly. If it looks like you are turning into a river, there just may be a river there

my satnav does not say "turn" left, but displays go straight. its coordinate.
if it does that it means the satnav system had a system failure.

Ironic that you quote Sheldrake in your sig. I think you are just having fun

[Chene_Mostert]

If you could just point to precisely where the document makes that statement...

It does not point "precisely" to that,typical of all FIA statements, (They never pointed out precisely that Ferrari cheated with their PU).

Breach of Article 12.2.1 f) and 12.2.1 k) of the FIA International Sporting Code. means Horner made a statement that brought the sport in disrepute.

The inference thus is that he is reprimanded for not shutting up.

Inference? What inference?

"The Stewards heard from the Team Principal (Christian Horner). He explained that
his reaction was one that was made under the pressure of competition following the
penalty imposed on the driver of Car 33.

The Stewards explained that the marshal concerned was doing his job in precisely the
manner prescribed in the International Sporting Code.

Mr Horner offered to apologise to the marshal concerned and to explain to the media
that he meant no offense."

Horner himself clearly stated that he was wrong. And apologised for being wrong. And the Stewards confirm the Marshal acted correctly.

I look forward to seeing how you manage to weave this into your "It's strong leadership to blame the Marshal" conspiracy theory...It's better entertainment than the race was.

can you be so naive?
Horner was instructed to apologies.
Are you saying the system worked as it was intended to work?

[dans79]

It does not point "precisely" to that,typical of all FIA statements, (They never pointed out precisely that Ferrari cheated with their PU).

Breach of Article 12.2.1 f) and 12.2.1 k) of the FIA International Sporting Code. means Horner made a statement that brought the sport in disrepute.

The inference thus is that he is reprimanded for not shutting up.

Inference? What inference?

"The Stewards heard from the Team Principal (Christian Horner). He explained that
his reaction was one that was made under the pressure of competition following the
penalty imposed on the driver of Car 33.

The Stewards explained that the marshal concerned was doing his job in precisely the
manner prescribed in the International Sporting Code.

Mr Horner offered to apologise to the marshal concerned and to explain to the media
that he meant no offense."

Horner himself clearly stated that he was wrong. And apologised for being wrong. And the Stewards confirm the Marshal acted correctly.

I look forward to seeing how you manage to weave this into your "It's strong leadership to blame the Marshal" conspiracy theory...It's better entertainment than the race was.

can you be so naive?
Horner was instructed to apologies.
Are you saying the system worked as it was intended to work?

I take it you didn't read the stewards article I liked to!

Mr Horner offered to apologise to the marshal concerned and to explain to the media
that he meant no offense.

He also offered to participate in the 2022 FIA International Stewards Programme in
early February.

[Just_a_fan]

you are making up your own facts. just listen... "sent to RC AND driver display panel."
the biggest problem here is selective listening

But none of that matters. The flag was there so had to be obeyed

Exactly. That's all that matters. Flag is displayed, driver responds accordingly. He can't know if it the flag is in error or if the electronic system is in error / broken. A waved double yellow flag is a waved double yellow flag and it has one simple meaning - slow down and be prepared to stop if necessary.

[Just_a_fan]

official documents are up on the Horner summons, looks like Masi is the one that sent it to the stewards.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... Horner.pdf

The Stewards, having received a report from the Race Director, summoned (document 50) and
heard from the Team Principal, have considered the following matter and determine the following

Also sounds like horner will be doing a little community service early next year as well.

Mr Horner offered to apologise to the marshal concerned and to explain to the media
that he meant no offense.

He also offered to participate in the 2022 FIA International Stewards Programme in
early February.

The Stewards unreservedly accept Mr Horner’s offer.

So there was a rouge marshal, Horner was just not supposed to say it.

No. There was no rogue marshal and Horner was wrong to suggest that there was in order to try to get sympathy for his driver.

[Starkblood80]

It does not point "precisely" to that,typical of all FIA statements, (They never pointed out precisely that Ferrari cheated with their PU).

Breach of Article 12.2.1 f) and 12.2.1 k) of the FIA International Sporting Code. means Horner made a statement that brought the sport in disrepute.

The inference thus is that he is reprimanded for not shutting up.

Inference? What inference?

"The Stewards heard from the Team Principal (Christian Horner). He explained that
his reaction was one that was made under the pressure of competition following the
penalty imposed on the driver of Car 33.

The Stewards explained that the marshal concerned was doing his job in precisely the
manner prescribed in the International Sporting Code.

Mr Horner offered to apologise to the marshal concerned and to explain to the media
that he meant no offense."

Horner himself clearly stated that he was wrong. And apologised for being wrong. And the Stewards confirm the Marshal acted correctly.

I look forward to seeing how you manage to weave this into your "It's strong leadership to blame the Marshal" conspiracy theory...It's better entertainment than the race was.

can you be so naive?
Horner was instructed to apologies.
Are you saying the system worked as it was intended to work?

Did he? then why were the lights not coordinated? the FIA does not want these questions to be asked, reason for the corrective action.

"ONLY I KNOW THE TRUTH! YOU'RE ALL SHEEPLE!" Chene screamed as the physicians dragged him into the ambulance, his arms secured within a straitjacket for his own safety.

I don't understand, How does this explain why the steering lights were not on and why DRS remained active?
If you don't know just say so. not every one on this form is experts, we wont hold it against you.

The light system you’re so obsessed about can be controlled by a marshal or remotely by race control. If you look at the circuit map marshal post 25 has a light board but where the yellow flags were waved, mashal post 26 there is no light board.
With that information in mind the marshal at post 25 would not have the equipment to activate the electronic system which means it was being done remotely by race control.
Now, as I’m sure you are aware by now the marshal at post 25 was perfectly entitled to throw yellows/double yellows without first seeking permission from race control because he viewed gasly’s car as being a danger too driver safety. The failure was in race control for giving the green light, over riding the marshal when there was clearly a hazard still on track.

Hope that clears things up for you

[Zynerji]

Good race!

The 2022 race will be epic here if the field tightens up with the new cars.

[nimoraca]

Good race!

The 2022 race will be epic here if the field tightens up with the new cars.

The field never tightens up with a reg change. This is as close as we are going to see for some time now.

[siskue2005]

Good race!

The 2022 race will be epic here if the field tightens up with the new cars.

There is no race here in 2022 due to them hosting Football world cup'
The next race in 2023 will be a street circuit according to rumours