2021 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, Dec 03 - 05

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Roo wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:17
max_speed wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:10
Gutted.. gutted.. can not believe. He is almost crying. Lewis luck never dries out.


How is that luck? LH gets a fast lap, over to MV, MV was fast, MVs push was too much.
That was an incredible lap. Kudos to max but I think that his dumping of the throttle is all about pressure. He didn’t need to do that.

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Restomaniac wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:16
adrianjordan wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:10
Just looking at the grid, only Norris and LeClerc would be an issue to get past for him to get back to 3rd if it does need a new box. You'd expect the Alphas and Perez to jump out of his way.
True but 3rd puts Hamilton ahead going into the last race. That would mean Verstappen would need to completely alter his wheel to wheel mindset Vs Hamilton.
I know what you mean, but I'm not entirely sure it would alter his approach. He's used the same general approach on other drivers in past seasons when not fighting for the championship. I think he is still young enough that he would see the risk reward balance in favour of taking the immediate risk if it came to making a risky overtake / defensive move, even if behind in points going into the final race (and that's a big if going by the pace he just showed).

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Roo wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:17
max_speed wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:10
Gutted.. gutted.. can not believe. He is almost crying. Lewis luck never dries out.


How is that luck? LH gets a fast lap, over to MV, MV was fast, MVs push was too much.
That was an incredible lap. Kudos to max but I think that his dumping of the throttle is all about pressure. He didn’t need to do that.

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What a lap by Max, he was on the edge at Turn 13, turn 23 24 . =D> .. everyone knows I am Lewis fan but boy oh boy that was a mighty lap until last corner.

Anyways Lewis and bottas needs to pull away with atleast 5 to 6 sec gap to 3rd car. That will gaurentee 1 - 2

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Yes, this was not luck from Hamilton. This was an unfortunate mistake from Verstappen. The luck of Hamilton is that he somehow got no penalties at all, despite ample precedent.

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I think brundle was saying that the impact is not what could damage the gearbox but the rear suspension going through the casing?

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DChemTech wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:23
Yes, this was not luck from Hamilton. This was an unfortunate mistake from Verstappen. The luck of Hamilton is that he somehow got no penalties at all, despite ample precedent.
The stewards have addressed the incident and with contaxt to previous incidents. They do a great job of explaining the facts of what happened.

The facts will change your opinion for sure.

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max_speed wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:10
Gutted.. gutted.. can not believe. He is almost crying. Lewis luck never dries out.
I disagree with the luck thing. It's common sense not to go for broke on a street circuit. Max took his chance as he's prone to. Knowing when to fold is always the better long term strategy.

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Also, that was a real thump. If the gearbox has survived that will be incredible

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siskue2005 wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:22
What a lap by Max, he was on the edge at Turn 13, turn 23 24 . =D> .. everyone knows I am Lewis fan but boy oh boy that was a mighty lap until last corner.

Anyways Lewis and bottas needs to pull away with atleast 5 to 6 sec gap to 3rd car. That will gaurentee 1 - 2
It was a good lap until it wasn't. Max has the best car this weekend. The MErc just cannot fire up the tires, it's something that happens every time they go on street circuits, something that has been hampering them since 2015 actually, with their Singapore woes. Max should have been on pole here. No excuses. He still has a chance to win tomorrow even with a grid penalty, because he will be fast.

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bonjon1979 wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:29
Also, that was a real thump. If the gearbox has survived that will be incredible
Yeah it wasn’t just a tap and some have suggested.

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bonjon1979 wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:22
Roo wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:17
max_speed wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:10
Gutted.. gutted.. can not believe. He is almost crying. Lewis luck never dries out.


How is that luck? LH gets a fast lap, over to MV, MV was fast, MVs push was too much.
That was an incredible lap. Kudos to max but I think that his dumping of the throttle is all about pressure. He didn’t need to do that.
I think that was a mixture of frustration and a lack of maturity on Max's part. Lewis did what he needed to do, no luck required. I suspect he probably thought he'd be starting 2nd behind Max. If Max needs a new gearbox or not, tomorrow's race is likely going to be quite dramatic.

If Max's gearbox is damaged, it will likely be due to a driveshaft being rammed into it by the rear suspension breaking.

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Restomaniac wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:30
bonjon1979 wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 20:29
Also, that was a real thump. If the gearbox has survived that will be incredible
Yeah it wasn’t just a tap and some have suggested.
The real worries would be if the gearbox looks ok.. no way of really testing it before the race. Risk it or go for a new one is really the question.

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Conclusion : It is not a Rocket science, now we know who has the Power and who has the Control. 2 min before Max was asking about a "help" is there from Perez or Engine ? I hope he stay 3rd. The show must go on...
“And suddenly I realized that I was no longer driving the car consciously. I was driving it by a kind of instinct, only I was in a different dimension.”
― Ayrton Senna

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Max was absolutely hammering his car around the track, but it seems like all that time gained in the middle sector degraded the predictability of the grip on the tyres by the end of the lap.

He locked up into the last corner, didn't find the grip mid corner and still didn't find it on the exit as he smacked the wall.

Not even to say that the tyres had gone, just that by the time he arrived at the last corner, they weren't able to keep providing what he expected of them.