2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

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NathanOlder wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 17:57
Bill_Kar wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 17:47
NathanOlder wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 17:39


Lewis did a 1.24.1 on the mediums at one point. Maybe that was the lap.
24.1? While he was on the stint? Not possible.
His first run in the session was on mediums, he set that time on the 7th and final lap of that first run. That time was fast enough for 3rd in that session by the end of everyone soft tyre runs.

6th lap according to the official lap times.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... es_v01.pdf

17:03:26
1:25.127
2:57.900
1:24.943
3:02.779
1:24.126
1:39.071 P
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What is the pace looking like between RB and Merc so far. I wasnt't able to catch FP1 and 2

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Tvetovnato wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 17:01
pantherxxx wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 16:48
SiLo wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 16:41
The race pace times were confusing, unless Merc had engine almost off and the car was full of fuel. I think the quali laps are more representative of the ultimate pace of the cars.
I think the race pace times are more representative. Red Bull and Merc are very close, and way ahead of Ferrari and Alpine.
Hamilton was lacking 7 kph to Perez on the straights during the race runs. While being towed by Perez even. So I’m not too sure the race runs here are very representative.
Yer lewis was it felt deliberately not passing perez ahead and he was seeing how close he can get to the car in front. He is building up his race day data vs redbull i think. From what he said its little easier but not that much easier to pass.

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dans79 wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 18:13
NathanOlder wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 17:57
Bill_Kar wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 17:47


24.1? While he was on the stint? Not possible.
His first run in the session was on mediums, he set that time on the 7th and final lap of that first run. That time was fast enough for 3rd in that session by the end of everyone soft tyre runs.

6th lap according to the official lap times.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... es_v01.pdf

17:03:26
1:25.127
2:57.900
1:24.943
3:02.779
1:24.126
1:39.071 P
Yeah and it doesn't look like a race stint. Just a quali sim.

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BlueCheetah66 wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 18:14
What is the pace looking like between RB and Merc so far. I wasnt't able to catch FP1 and 2
Honestly, it's very hard to say.

The most telling thing for me would be that Mercedes are good in the corners and slow on the straights. So we can safely say when they have the race engines in and turn it up they will be good in the corners and excellent on the straights.

On fast laps, the Mercedes was a lot faster and on race sims the Redbull was faster, albeit using the soft tyre. Both teams looked to be sandbagging.

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Phil wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 17:52
Looks like RedBull going aggressive and possibly hinting at a 2-stop race, starting on softs for a better get-away. Mercedes maybe trying to figure out if they can make a 1-stop work.

Whoever is leading on lap 1 IMO will control the narrative. Mercedes might have slightly better options if they have the quicker car, meaning if RedBull goes short and for a definitive two stop, could still try to make a one stop work. If Hamilton/Mercedes lead by lap 1, I think they control the narrative. If Bottas is inbetween them, he will be a great buffer so that they can simply copy everything Max does and still retain the lead. Hamilton doesn't even have to win this race, he just has to finish ahead of Max, ideally in the top 7 I think to nullify the fastest lap point.
Why would he need to nullify the fastest lap point? Are you meaning if they finished 9th and 10th the 10th position person could be equal on points if they also scored fastest lap?

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this article has a good table showing what Lewis needs to do.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how- ... e/6857966/
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djones wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 18:06
By desperate I mean they know they can't win on pace so have to try something a bit crazy.

Realistically I expect Max and Lewis to start on the same tyres like they always do.
I don't think it's that crazy TBH. In theory, if the quicker car starts in front, it's more likely to finish the race also ahead. To overcome that disadvantage, you either need better race-pace during the race and then you win on merit (strategy also plays a factor, as well as speed differential and how good overtaking works on the track) or if you don't have that, or enough of it, ulterior strategy.

Ulterior strategy means starting on a different tyre for example, that might gain you an early advantage or simply put you on a different strategy that might work out as a gamble.

In my opinion, I think what ever happens, RedBull will put both their drivers on very different strategy. Perez isn't the best qualifier, so I think with that in mind, he might go very different than Max. If they can get Perez ahead, he might be able to cause trouble that could benefit Max. If Perez ends up 4th, he might/could be placed to go long and be a pawn for when the first stops arrive.

It's going to be a fascinating chess game of strategies.

If I were RedBull, I would also play to the fear that any crash would result in Max being champion. I.e. track position will be key as that would mean Hamilton would need to attempt an overtake and put his car in a potentially vulnerable position. So if I were Mercedes, I would make damn well sure Hamilton starts in front with Bottas in 2nd to buffer him at all cost.

All IMO of course.
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djones wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 18:06
Phil wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 17:52
Looks like RedBull going aggressive and possibly hinting at a 2-stop race, starting on softs for a better get-away. Mercedes maybe trying to figure out if they can make a 1-stop work.

Whoever is leading on lap 1 IMO will control the narrative. Mercedes might have slightly better options if they have the quicker car, meaning if RedBull goes short and for a definitive two stop, could still try to make a one stop work. If Hamilton/Mercedes lead by lap 1, I think they control the narrative. If Bottas is inbetween them, he will be a great buffer so that they can simply copy everything Max does and still retain the lead. Hamilton doesn't even have to win this race, he just has to finish ahead of Max, ideally in the top 7 I think to nullify the fastest lap point.
If RB starts on the soft then they are desperate or doing it to help orchestrate a first lap 'incident'.

By desperate I mean they know they can't win on pace so have to try something a bit crazy.

Realistically I expect Max and Lewis to start on the same tyres like they always do.
I don't know why people holding on this first lap incident as the narratives for tire choice. If there is 1 second difference between the red and the white tires. The difference for a 2 stop or 1 stop is whether you can cover the time of the extra stop. I don't think it is out of the world to think that way. If going on Red means equal pace to the yellow on the Merc, Redbull can do that for the first 2 stint and hopeful for equal pace and go on yellow to fight with the hard like they did in SA. Somewhere between the 2nd red compare to the one stop going to white, you have to find the time to cover the extra stop (22-24 seconds?) Because if you don't have the pace from aero and/or pu then you have to take the faster tires.

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dans79 wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 18:13
NathanOlder wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 17:57
Bill_Kar wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 17:47


24.1? While he was on the stint? Not possible.
His first run in the session was on mediums, he set that time on the 7th and final lap of that first run. That time was fast enough for 3rd in that session by the end of everyone soft tyre runs.

6th lap according to the official lap times.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... es_v01.pdf

17:03:26
1:25.127
2:57.900
1:24.943
3:02.779
1:24.126
1:39.071 P
Yeah, not sure why I said 7th, as that would have been the in lap. my bad.
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Hamilton stated on his long runs was trying to follow the car ahead.
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At the begining of FP2 Latifi had a spin into the tecpro barriers right under the Hotel. He clearly moved them and they were not anymore safely arranged and drivers would have an faster impact to the wall behind.
So why was no Red flag here. Masi was very interested to Red flag last race...

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El_KaPpa wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 19:02
Hamilton stated on his long runs was trying to follow the car ahead.
Yep he was experimenting with Perez. To perez's and RB's annoyance as perez wanted him to pass. Lewis was experimenting with lines into the last corner and drs points.

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mstar wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 19:42
El_KaPpa wrote:
10 Dec 2021, 19:02
Hamilton stated on his long runs was trying to follow the car ahead.
Yep he was experimenting with Perez. To perez's and RB's annoyance as perez wanted him to pass. Lewis was experimenting with lines into the last corner and drs points.
Wow. They must be confident if that’s what they are working on.