2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

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Gothrek wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:00
Mercedes being desperate indeed. Can you imagine this happening in football after a bad call from the ref? After a champions league final. Yes, ref/racing directors can get it wrong. If you want to settle any match in court, it is going to br fun…
Hamilton has had an enormous of luck with the stewards this season, though luck for him today he had some bad luck.
If the ref suddenly changed what the rules are part way through the match, they would have good grounds. This is not luck this was a decision by a race official to make new rules which benefited one competitor. To make it worse they put out that cars would not unlap (which is fine) then overruled it. It’s absolutely amazing that this is a world sport,

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f1jcw wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:07
pantherxxx wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:05
The only sensible decision, any other would have been horrible publicity for the sport.
Too late for that, it already has horrible publicity, with many thinking the WDC this year is invalid.
That is only sour Hamilton fans. Max is the proper champion of this season, if you look at the season as a whole - most deserving.

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Gothrek wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:12
f1jcw wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:07
pantherxxx wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:05
The only sensible decision, any other would have been horrible publicity for the sport.
Too late for that, it already has horrible publicity, with many thinking the WDC this year is invalid.
That is only sour Hamilton fans. Max is the proper champion of this season, if you look at the season as a whole - most deserving.
It's sour for every F1 fan. Deciding a title by some creative use of the safety car isn't really defensible.
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Gothrek wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:00
Mercedes being desperate indeed. Can you imagine this happening in football after a bad call from the ref? After a champions league final. Yes, ref/racing directors can get it wrong. If you want to settle any match in court, it is going to be fun…
Hamilton has had an enormous amount of luck with the stewards this entire season, tough luck for him, today he had some bad luck.
This is more than a bad call from the ref. This is the equivalent of the ref blowing the whistle in the last second when a team is winning 1-0 holding into the ball at the far end of the pitch, and simultaneously awarding a penalty to the losing team, sending the winning team’s keeper off without allowing a sub AND deciding that goals now count double and then immediately blowing for full time when the ball hits the back of the net.

So naturally of course the same stuff would be happening.

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Tom145145 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:11
Gothrek wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:00
Mercedes being desperate indeed. Can you imagine this happening in football after a bad call from the ref? After a champions league final. Yes, ref/racing directors can get it wrong. If you want to settle any match in court, it is going to br fun…
Hamilton has had an enormous of luck with the stewards this season, though luck for him today he had some bad luck.
If the ref suddenly changed what the rules are part way through the match, they would have good grounds. This is not luck this was a decision by a race official to make new rules which benefited one competitor. To make it worse they put out that cars would not unlap (which is fine) then overruled it. It’s absolutely amazing that this is a world sport,
And that is the human aspect of the sport. If the ref doesnt see an error in the field, a rule has been broken, however no penalty is applied.
Replaces everything by AI/robots then with 1000+ cameras, pretty sure you will not like the result.

Any way, no way the FIA is going to take away the title from Max. Mercedes should just accept it. Like Redbull had to accept it many times this season.

If you want to have every race result contested from now on. Pleas applaud Mercedes for the protest. Every race will be settled in court then.

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Gothrek wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:12
f1jcw wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:07
pantherxxx wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:05
The only sensible decision, any other would have been horrible publicity for the sport.
Too late for that, it already has horrible publicity, with many thinking the WDC this year is invalid.
That is only sour Hamilton fans. Max is the proper champion of this season, if you look at the season as a whole - most deserving.
I assure you it isn’t just sour Hamilton fans

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Gothrek wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:17
Tom145145 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:11
Gothrek wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:00
Mercedes being desperate indeed. Can you imagine this happening in football after a bad call from the ref? After a champions league final. Yes, ref/racing directors can get it wrong. If you want to settle any match in court, it is going to br fun…
Hamilton has had an enormous of luck with the stewards this season, though luck for him today he had some bad luck.
If the ref suddenly changed what the rules are part way through the match, they would have good grounds. This is not luck this was a decision by a race official to make new rules which benefited one competitor. To make it worse they put out that cars would not unlap (which is fine) then overruled it. It’s absolutely amazing that this is a world sport,
And that is the human aspect of the sport. If the ref doesnt see an error in the field, a rule has been broken, however no penalty is applied.
Replaces everything by AI/robots then with 1000+ cameras, pretty sure you will not like the result.

Any way, no way the FIA is going to take away the title from Max. Mercedes should just accept it. Like Redbull had to accept it many times this season.

If you want to have every race result contested from now on. Pleas applaud Mercedes for the protest. Every race will be settled in court then.
This is not a subjective gray area, it’s the safety car rules once you’re messing with this there is no longer a sport. And the defence is the race director can do as he pleases just doesn’t cut it.

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Gothrek wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:17
Tom145145 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:11
Gothrek wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:00
Mercedes being desperate indeed. Can you imagine this happening in football after a bad call from the ref? After a champions league final. Yes, ref/racing directors can get it wrong. If you want to settle any match in court, it is going to br fun…
Hamilton has had an enormous of luck with the stewards this season, though luck for him today he had some bad luck.
If the ref suddenly changed what the rules are part way through the match, they would have good grounds. This is not luck this was a decision by a race official to make new rules which benefited one competitor. To make it worse they put out that cars would not unlap (which is fine) then overruled it. It’s absolutely amazing that this is a world sport,
And that is the human aspect of the sport. If the ref doesnt see an error in the field, a rule has been broken, however no penalty is applied.
Replaces everything by AI/robots then with 1000+ cameras, pretty sure you will not like the result.

Any way, no way the FIA is going to take away the title from Max. Mercedes should just accept it. Like Redbull had to accept it many times this season.

If you want to have every race result contested from now on. Pleas applaud Mercedes for the protest. Every race will be settled in court then.
This is strange, you seem to accept that there was a error, but you also think, sssh ignore it, keep Max as champion cause I think he is the best.

I’m sorry it doesn’t work that way.

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LionKing wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:04
Neither was Silverstone Taken out by his main competitors
Again, this abhorrent crying. For the nth time, MV caused the crash in silverstone. End of story. And he almost lost the title because of that mistake. Only saved by a farcical call in the end.
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Tom145145 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:22
Gothrek wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:17
Tom145145 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:11


If the ref suddenly changed what the rules are part way through the match, they would have good grounds. This is not luck this was a decision by a race official to make new rules which benefited one competitor. To make it worse they put out that cars would not unlap (which is fine) then overruled it. It’s absolutely amazing that this is a world sport,
And that is the human aspect of the sport. If the ref doesnt see an error in the field, a rule has been broken, however no penalty is applied.
Replaces everything by AI/robots then with 1000+ cameras, pretty sure you will not like the result.

Any way, no way the FIA is going to take away the title from Max. Mercedes should just accept it. Like Redbull had to accept it many times this season.

If you want to have every race result contested from now on. Pleas applaud Mercedes for the protest. Every race will be settled in court then.
This is not a subjective gray area, it’s the safety car rules once you’re messing with this there is no longer a sport. And the defence is the race director can do as he pleases just doesn’t cut it.
Look at the L1 incident, look at Silverstone, if you want to contest every decision you dont like, just stop racing and start hiring lawyers.

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Shrieker wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:24
LionKing wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:04
Neither was Silverstone Taken out by his main competitors
Again, this abhorrent crying. For the nth time, MV caused the crash in silverstone. End of story. And he almost lost the title because of that mistake. Only saved by a farcical call in the end.
No he didn't. Lewis went wide and clipped Max's rear.

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f1jcw wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:21
Gothrek wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:12
f1jcw wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:07


Too late for that, it already has horrible publicity, with many thinking the WDC this year is invalid.
That is only sour Hamilton fans. Max is the proper champion of this season, if you look at the season as a whole - most deserving.
I assure you it isn’t just sour Hamilton fans
Yes it's mostly just sour Hamilton fans crying. The official highlights of the race has 152k likes already and only 4.9k dislikes (there's a chrome plugin which brings back the hidden dislikes). It would be way more controversial if they would say days, weeks, or months later that sorry, but we changed the outcome of the race.

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LionKing wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:04
Starkblood80 wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 23:53
The point is, today wasn’t just good fortune for max, that would have been a puncture for Lewis or his engine going pop. No today was quite literally changing the rules during the last 2 laps of a race to massively favour a driver who up until that point had been on course to lose.
The fact you and others can’t see that is quite frankly mind boggling
Neither was Silverstone nor Hungary for Max. Taken out by his main competitors twice.

Massi's warning should have applied in these races too, which are not any less influential then the final race.
Crashes happen in racing, it’s an inevitable part of motorsport especially when you have to competitors racing so closely, also Hamilton was punished in silverstone and Bottas was punished for Hungary. The point here is the race director should not be able to change the rules on a whim, 2 laps from the end of a race massively in favour of one competitor. Surely to god you can see that.

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Gothrek wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:17
Tom145145 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:11
Gothrek wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 00:00
Mercedes being desperate indeed. Can you imagine this happening in football after a bad call from the ref? After a champions league final. Yes, ref/racing directors can get it wrong. If you want to settle any match in court, it is going to br fun…
Hamilton has had an enormous of luck with the stewards this season, though luck for him today he had some bad luck.
If the ref suddenly changed what the rules are part way through the match, they would have good grounds. This is not luck this was a decision by a race official to make new rules which benefited one competitor. To make it worse they put out that cars would not unlap (which is fine) then overruled it. It’s absolutely amazing that this is a world sport,
And that is the human aspect of the sport. If the ref doesnt see an error in the field, a rule has been broken, however no penalty is applied.
Replaces everything by AI/robots then with 1000+ cameras, pretty sure you will not like the result.

Any way, no way the FIA is going to take away the title from Max. Mercedes should just accept it. Like Redbull had to accept it many times this season.

If you want to have every race result contested from now on. Pleas applaud Mercedes for the protest. Every race will be settled in court then.
This "It's all fine because Hamilton didn't win" is just so depressing.

What has happened here just sets precedent, where Masi can do whatever the F he wants because he's the Race Director.

Mark my words, next year we're going to see drivers getting disqualified because they didn't compliment Masi on his cool new trousers.
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What rule was changed? @starkbliod80
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