2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

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jz11 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:47
Shrieker wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:42
jz11 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:35

the big question is - if Lewis pitted under SC (to softs presumably), Max gets the lead (slightly used hards), does Masi let the lapped cars overtake safety car or not?
Oh come on.

Masi would never have gone out of his way, violate the rules and make Lewis win. Had they pitted, as per the rules they would've been required to restart with the lapped cars in between, or no restart at all.
so, according to you, with 100% certainty, a conspiracy was in place against Lewis winning the 8th title, is that what you're trying to say?
-never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

Except, we know Masi isn't so stupid as to not know what would happen, if a car with 40+ laps old hard tires was pitted against a car with new softs :wink: And break the rules to allow that to happen...
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ringo wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:50
Anything that mercedes did..the FiA would have ruled against them.
This is just bias and paranoia IMO! If the FIA are against Mercedes, why they did issue a technical directive on automated pitstops, or on flexible rear wing endplates?

Shrieker wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:50
Except, we know Masi isn't so stupid as to not know what would happen, if a car with 40+ laps old hard tires was pitted against a car with new softs :wink: And break the rules to allow that to happen...
It's only one race of many in a long season, anyhow. :)

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Shrieker wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:50
jz11 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:47
Shrieker wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:42


Oh come on.

Masi would never have gone out of his way, violate the rules and make Lewis win. Had they pitted, as per the rules they would've been required to restart with the lapped cars in between, or no restart at all.
so, according to you, with 100% certainty, a conspiracy was in place against Lewis winning the 8th title, is that what you're trying to say?
-never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

Except, we know Masi isn't so stupid as to not know what would happen, if a car with 40+ laps old hard tires was pitted against a car with new softs :wink: And break the rules to allow that to happen...
nice save mate, I cross you out of my Christmas tin foil hat gift list :D
for the moment....

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Lewis didn’t cut the corner, Max drove into the side of his car. On a real race track, with real limits, Lewis can’t disappear.

Lewis and Checo is how you do it. Max as fast as he is, can’t do that.

Sorry man, but you’re wrong.

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AMG.Tzan wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:40
Anyone know what happened to Lewis after the podium??

Did he leave the track? Because there's no interview of him anywhere after the podium...

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JordanMugen wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:51
ringo wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:50
Anything that mercedes did..the FiA would have ruled against them.
This is just bias and paranoia IMO! If the FIA are against Mercedes, why they did issue a technical directive on automated pitstops, or on flexible rear wing endplates?

Shrieker wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:50
Except, we know Masi isn't so stupid as to not know what would happen, if a car with 40+ laps old hard tires was pitted against a car with new softs :wink: And break the rules to allow that to happen...
It's only one race of many in a long season, anyhow. :)
I see what you're getting at, but at this point it's all but clear the winner was determined, thanks to race direction
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The race director should absolutely NOT be considering entertainment in their decision making. They should be responsible only for ensuring safety as number one, and the integrity of the race number two (per the rules). That's it, fin.

It is the responsibility of others to see that the racing is entertaining, ie what brawn and co are doing with regs.

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Mercedes’ lawsuit is about two things:

1) making sure this doesn’t happen again. This works for RedBull because they could be in the same spot someday
2) monetary damages due to finishing second vs. first. This is the big one and there are likely millions on the line.

I think Mercedes wins a lawsuit, FIA has to pay monetary damages, likely it’s behind closed doors, and the results stan, and Masi resigns “to focus on his private life” (classic I’m being forced to resign reason) or he is reassigned.
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ringo wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:50
Mercedes did the right thing by keeping Lewis out. The director could not rule against lewis if he stayed out. But i guess you can when u rewrite the rules in 30 seconds.
This. This so much...
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Shrieker wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 03:00
ringo wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:50
Mercedes did the right thing by keeping Lewis out. The director could not rule against lewis if he stayed out. But i guess you can when u rewrite the rules in 30 seconds.
This. This so much...
You feel angry and can't sleep so instead spoiling the internet with nonsense ?

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Anyone who thinks the FIA will have to pay damages to Mercedes, or even more, the results will be altered, is disillusional. Most you can expect is a clarification regarding the ruleset here and there.

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epo wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 03:01
Shrieker wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 03:00
ringo wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:50
Mercedes did the right thing by keeping Lewis out. The director could not rule against lewis if he stayed out. But i guess you can when u rewrite the rules in 30 seconds.
This. This so much...
You feel angry and can't sleep so instead spoiling the internet with nonsense ?
The irony of your username being the common name for a drug associated with sporting scandals. :lol:

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SchuMassa wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 03:01
Anyone who thinks the FIA will have to pay damages to Mercedes, or even more, the results will be altered, is disillusional. Most you can expect is a clarification regarding the ruleset here and there.
Not if they disregarded their own rules. You can put a $$$ amount on Masi’s mistake / incompetence.

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jz11 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:47
Shrieker wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:42
jz11 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:35

the big question is - if Lewis pitted under SC (to softs presumably), Max gets the lead (slightly used hards), does Masi let the lapped cars overtake safety car or not?
Oh come on.

Masi would never have gone out of his way, violate the rules and make Lewis win. Had they pitted, as per the rules they would've been required to restart with the lapped cars in between, or no restart at all.
so, according to you, with 100% certainty, a conspiracy was in place against Lewis winning the 8th title, is that what you're trying to say?
l You choose . Either Masi wanted Verstappen to win or he is a

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ringo wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 02:50
JordanMugen wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 01:54
Hoffman900 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 01:51

Because it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that, according to the rules, you let by cars out of order and then it starts the lap after. 2 laps to go minus 2 laps to go equals zero.
So Red Bull aren't clever enough to work that out, and their pitting was a waste of time? :?:

I'm sorry but that really doesn't make sense IMO. Mercedes had every opportunity to also pit and to expect a restart.
I dont think you understand what everyone is saying.
Anything that mercedes did..the FiA would have ruled against them.
If they pit hamilton he will lose track position to Max and Masi will keep the safety car out or rwd flag the race.
That's what they did in Saudia Arabia. They watch what hamilton and his pit decides then they do whatever disadvantages them.
Hamilton was destined to lose by Fia interference. His only hope was if latifi did not crash and the race ran normally.
I hope you see what people are saying now.
Mercedes did the right thing by keeping Lewis out. The director could not rule against lewis if he stayed out. But i guess you can when u rewrite the rules in 30 seconds.
Don't tell me Liberty wouldn't have been content with Lewis surpassing Schummi's last great record and writing history? Imagine what mega news that would have been. (And, I guess, they could've added it proves how diverse F1 is.)
The FIA has no reason to disadvantage Mercedes either.

Look, I was in the same shoes when Massa lost the title in 2008. You'll all soon get over it. O:)
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