2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

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wesley123 wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 23:21
proteus wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 22:37
That is pure speculation. Present me the proof that Max has been chosen to win the title by FIA troughout the season.
Spa. The sunday was well clear that racing wasn't going to occur. Since the 2011 Canadian GP there is an maximum time of 4 hours in case of an obstructed event. Turns out that you can just conveniently stop this clock, which renders it's whole function completely useless.

Brazil. How anyone could debate that wasn't a penalty is far, far beyond me. And the next week Masi basically told everyone that they can just go and f* themselves.

It's really no secret that the sport would benefit from someone else winning the title. It was literally in their own interest to make sure that would happen.
Not by far. You all claim Lewis has the biggest support in sport, so why would FIA want a "bad guy" to win, and especially with their aid with everybody watching? This aint 80s anymore. All they wanted was a show and they made it. Mercedes was foolish enough to think it wont happen. Thats why the mighty Wolff almost cried like a child on the radio. If you like it or not, it was Liberty that made the decision - for spectacle.
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diffuser wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 06:24
Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 03:41
In many ways, regardless of what happened, destiny handed over the title to the most deserving one. The title would have decided long back if Max didn't have to endure those painful failures of which he was a bystander. We were given a dramatic season instead, ensuring the guy that performed the best while suffering the misfortunes, was rightfully crowned.

What a job Honda has done. If not for Mercedes driver errors forcing, RB would have come to the final few races with much fresher fourth engine with a strategic penalty, instead of a forced one. From 2015 to 2021, Honda have turned things around remarkably.
Disagree, he was gifted the championship by Masi cause that's who Masi choose to win. It was fixed by Masi moving 4 cars out of the way for Max. Merc was by far the faster car. Max is a great driver who is a poor sport. He drove well most of the year but didn't earn today's win.

Max "pseudo Champion" Verstappen*.

Now he and Bonds both share an "*" and no championships.

BTW, I'm not a Hamilton fan. I just think Masi made a joke of F1.
Yes we know you are not hamilton fan. Fia has been a joke this whole year. I said few times luck evens out and yesterday it was case of that. Verstappen got lucky. Same Fia did not ask hamilton to hand back the place in first lap accident. If ricciardo does that last second lunge and overtakes everbody claps but if verstappen does then it is dive bomb. Verstappen had enough bad luck to deserve a payback.

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Hamilton would be in better position to realize what Massa went through in 2008. Cant wait for 2022 to start fast. Hope Alonso and ferrari will be in hunt as well.

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Max is a deserving champion. He had a marginally slower car overall the season and let's not forget he would have easily won the championship easily had he not been taken out by Lewis and Bottas earlier in the year. Respect to Lewis on being a good sport in the end. Merc are sore losers.

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max_speed wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:27
If ricciardo does that last second lunge and overtakes everbody claps but if verstappen does then it is dive bomb. Verstappen had enough bad luck to deserve a payback.
Danny hasn't made a career of running people off track or into them. Go watch his win in China 2018!
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dans79 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:40
max_speed wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:27
If ricciardo does that last second lunge and overtakes everbody claps but if verstappen does then it is dive bomb. Verstappen had enough bad luck to deserve a payback.
Danny hasn't made a career of running people off track or into them. Go watch his win in China 2018!
I suggest watching 2011 rather.
Hakuna Matata!

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Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:41
dans79 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:40
max_speed wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:27
If ricciardo does that last second lunge and overtakes everbody claps but if verstappen does then it is dive bomb. Verstappen had enough bad luck to deserve a payback.
Danny hasn't made a career of running people off track or into them. Go watch his win in China 2018!
I suggest watching 2011 rather.
I suggest you learn the difference between the worst season of a driver's career, and his entire career!
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in my point of view, If LH won the this race, they fia and liberty will remove it from him for whatever reasons. RB can say
1st lap incident with 10 second penalty,
Rear wing gap is 0.001 mm

FIA and Liberty want to give WDC to Max this year for whatever reasons. It is seems like a predefined plan and I don't think Mercedes will file a review petition with FIA.

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dans79 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:43
Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:41
dans79 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:40


Danny hasn't made a career of running people off track or into them. Go watch his win in China 2018!
I suggest watching 2011 rather.
I suggest you learn the difference between the worst season of a driver's career, and his entire career!
I hope you are telling that to yourself right? The driver that you are playing down, is at the beginning of his career!!!
Hakuna Matata!

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Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:44
dans79 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:43
Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:41
I suggest watching 2011 rather.
I suggest you learn the difference between the worst season of a driver's career, and his entire career!
I hope you are telling that to yourself right? The driver that you are playing down, is at the beginning of his career!!!

Keep telling yourself that if it make you feel better. Max just Finished his 7th season in Formula 1. That's not just starting, that's in all reality almost half way through!
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dans79 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:49
Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:44
dans79 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:43


I suggest you learn the difference between the worst season of a driver's career, and his entire career!
I hope you are telling that to yourself right? The driver that you are playing down, is at the beginning of his career!!!

Keep telling yourself that if it make you feel better. Max just Finished his 7th season in Formula 1. That's not just starting, that's in all reality almost half way through!
Doesn't matter. He has atleast another decade to shape his legacy and who knows he might be the best every by then. If a crashator from 2011 can go on to become a 7 time WDC (albeit....), then why not the most talented driver on the grid can better that in over a decade.
Hakuna Matata!

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Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:09
diffuser wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 06:53
Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 06:42
Only if you were some kind of official historian, your self serving reality would be of some consideration.
Not sure how it's self serving. I feel slighted by the sport. If they don't fix this crap. F1 can go F themselves.
Nothing is going to change the fact that, Max is the 2021 F1 WDC. He deserved it more than anyone else did and earned it rightfully by performing in the given circumstances. If the FIA executed some decisions in a different manner, you can't blame Max for that. So, no "*" is going to be added in any official version, definitely not in my version, except in someone's thought process. That is why I called it, self serving.
Performing in the given circumstances? When most have been on the line this season, i.e last race and this race, Max performed by:

-binning a safe pole position with a crash
-getting three penalties in one race for dangerous/illegal racing manouvres that would warrant grid penalty in any other situation
-walking off the podium celebrations when losing, because it was ”not fun”
-binning a set of mediums by destroying them in Q2, leaving him nowhere in stint 1 in the title decider
- getting the actual title through no means of his own, but by a race control decision that wants a show

And of course saying to the world that the FIA is against him, because they penalize what he genuinly and honestly considers to be fair racing (just watch SA again). Sure, Max is extremely fast, but nothing else about him speaks of a champion, especially not after a fabricated gift like yesterday.

On to 2022 where hopefully he will get to race drivers who are not as sensible and kind as Lewis when it comes to giving him the illegal space on track that he always demands. Then he will be in for some more nice penalties which will hopefully wreck his title chances for real. Maybe then he will realize how to properly conduct racing.

Enjoy your ”champ”! =D> =D> =D>

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selvam_e2002 wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:44
in my point of view, If LH won the this race, they fia and liberty will remove it from him for whatever reasons. RB can say
1st lap incident with 10 second penalty,
Rear wing gap is 0.001 mm

FIA and Liberty want to give WDC to Max this year for whatever reasons. It is seems like a predefined plan and I don't think Mercedes will file a review petition with FIA.
You can't be serious 😂😂😂

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Tvetovnato wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:54
Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:09
diffuser wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 06:53


Not sure how it's self serving. I feel slighted by the sport. If they don't fix this crap. F1 can go F themselves.
Nothing is going to change the fact that, Max is the 2021 F1 WDC. He deserved it more than anyone else did and earned it rightfully by performing in the given circumstances. If the FIA executed some decisions in a different manner, you can't blame Max for that. So, no "*" is going to be added in any official version, definitely not in my version, except in someone's thought process. That is why I called it, self serving.
Performing in the given circumstances? When most have been on the line this season, i.e last race and this race, Max performed by:

-binning a safe pole position with a crash
-getting three penalties in one race for dangerous/illegal racing manouvres that would warrant grid penalty in any other situation
-walking off the podium celebrations when losing, because it was ”not fun”
-binning a set of mediums by destroying them in Q2, leaving him nowhere in stint 1 in the title decider
- getting the actual title through no means of his own, but by a race control decision that wants a show

And of course saying to the world that the FIA is against him, because they penalize what he genuinly and honestly considers to be fair racing (just watch SA again). Sure, Max is extremely fast, but nothing else about him speaks of a champion, especially not after a fabricated gift like yesterday.

On to 2022 where hopefully he will get to race drivers who are not as sensible and kind as Lewis when it comes to giving him the illegal space on track that he always demands. Then he will be in for some more nice penalties which will hopefully wreck his title chances for real. Maybe then he will realize how to properly conduct racing.

Enjoy your ”champ”! =D> =D> =D>
So much sorness in one post. This is going to last for some time.
Hakuna Matata!

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max_speed wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 07:27
diffuser wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 06:24
Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 03:41
In many ways, regardless of what happened, destiny handed over the title to the most deserving one. The title would have decided long back if Max didn't have to endure those painful failures of which he was a bystander. We were given a dramatic season instead, ensuring the guy that performed the best while suffering the misfortunes, was rightfully crowned.

What a job Honda has done. If not for Mercedes driver errors forcing, RB would have come to the final few races with much fresher fourth engine with a strategic penalty, instead of a forced one. From 2015 to 2021, Honda have turned things around remarkably.
Disagree, he was gifted the championship by Masi cause that's who Masi choose to win. It was fixed by Masi moving 4 cars out of the way for Max. Merc was by far the faster car. Max is a great driver who is a poor sport. He drove well most of the year but didn't earn today's win.

Max "pseudo Champion" Verstappen*.

Now he and Bonds both share an "*" and no championships.

BTW, I'm not a Hamilton fan. I just think Masi made a joke of F1.
Yes we know you are not hamilton fan. Fia has been a joke this whole year. I said few times luck evens out and yesterday it was case of that. Verstappen got lucky. Same Fia did not ask hamilton to hand back the place in first lap accident. If ricciardo does that last second lunge and overtakes everbody claps but if verstappen does then it is dive bomb. Verstappen had enough bad luck to deserve a payback.
The FIA has had nothing to do with this, except the challenges after the race. Well and the rules.

Masi sent the first incident to the Stewarts. the Stewarts said no issue found. It didn't matter anyways, Hamilton would have gotten passed Max later when his softs faded.

Horner even admited during the race they didn't have an answer to the Merc speed.
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