2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

[Tvetovnato]

Hamilton had way more luck with the SC in Imola. It's insulting to say that Verstappen just won the championship because he was lucky, when Hamilton had more luck throughout the season. Well deserved Max. Most wins, poles, most podiums and laps led in 2021.

I feel like it's not right to say Hamilton had always all the luck in the world and today "the wheel has turned".
Max also had some luck : Spa ofc, I would also mention Russia which could have been a huge loss of points for him without the rain he was stuck behind Alonso who had fresher tyres (in 6 et 7 position), and in Jeddah we all forgot it but Bottas could finish ahead of him without all the red flags drama which could have changed everything.
It was a very long season and everyone had his moments of luck, I don't think in the end Hamilton or Verstappen had more luck than the other one.

Why was Spa and Russia a luck? In Spa, Max put the car on pole and lead the race under whatever conditions available. In Russia, the team made an inspired call to pit him at the right time. Rain is a factor in races and it's a skill to put the car on pole and pit at the right time. That is not luck.

Even you cannot possibly defend handing out points for the Spa farce. At no point are points awarded for putting the car on pole (save for the sprint races, but this was no sprint race). He didn’t lead the race, because there was no race. They were driving behind a safety car with no allowance to even try an overtake. If you defend that, you seriously have no interest in sporting fairness whatsoever.

[Spoutnik]

Hamilton had way more luck with the SC in Imola. It's insulting to say that Verstappen just won the championship because he was lucky, when Hamilton had more luck throughout the season. Well deserved Max. Most wins, poles, most podiums and laps led in 2021.

I feel like it's not right to say Hamilton had always all the luck in the world and today "the wheel has turned".
Max also had some luck : Spa ofc, I would also mention Russia which could have been a huge loss of points for him without the rain he was stuck behind Alonso who had fresher tyres (in 6 et 7 position), and in Jeddah we all forgot it but Bottas could finish ahead of him without all the red flags drama which could have changed everything.
It was a very long season and everyone had his moments of luck, I don't think in the end Hamilton or Verstappen had more luck than the other one.

Why was Spa and Russia a luck? In Spa, Max put the car on pole and lead the race under whatever conditions available. In Russia, the team made an inspired call to pit him at the right time. Rain is a factor in races and it's a skill to put the car on pole and pit at the right time. That is not luck.

It's luck when you qualify on pole and there's no race, especially when it's a track who was arguably favouring Merc... It would be the same if it was the case in Russia when Max started last...

In Russia ofc the call was good, but again Verstappen was in a situation when he had nothing to lose (like yersteday) and was totally stuck behind a group of cars so it's just luck in a sense that without this rain he would finish 7th and pay at a way higher cost his new engine in the pool.

[Ryar]

I feel like it's not right to say Hamilton had always all the luck in the world and today "the wheel has turned".
Max also had some luck : Spa ofc, I would also mention Russia which could have been a huge loss of points for him without the rain he was stuck behind Alonso who had fresher tyres (in 6 et 7 position), and in Jeddah we all forgot it but Bottas could finish ahead of him without all the red flags drama which could have changed everything.
It was a very long season and everyone had his moments of luck, I don't think in the end Hamilton or Verstappen had more luck than the other one.

Why was Spa and Russia a luck? In Spa, Max put the car on pole and lead the race under whatever conditions available. In Russia, the team made an inspired call to pit him at the right time. Rain is a factor in races and it's a skill to put the car on pole and pit at the right time. That is not luck.

Even you cannot possibly defend handing out points for the Spa farce. At no point are points awarded for putting the car on pole (save for the sprint races, but this was no sprint race). He didn’t lead the race, because there was no race. They were driving behind a safety car with no allowance to even try an overtake. If you defend that, you seriously have no interest in sporting fairness whatsoever.

What exact sporting fairness you are talking about? The fair decision in Silverstone was to dismiss Lewis for taking his rival out, not a useless 10 second penalty. It wasn't fair to penalize Max and Checo when they lost their engines for no fault of their owns. We can go on and on about these things.

[Spoutnik]

So how long do we have to wait to find out if they are following through with the protest?

Idk maybe a month. Anyways there will be nothing significant, maybe a clarification of the rules and Masi being fired but Max will keep his trophy surely !

[Ryar]

I feel like it's not right to say Hamilton had always all the luck in the world and today "the wheel has turned".
Max also had some luck : Spa ofc, I would also mention Russia which could have been a huge loss of points for him without the rain he was stuck behind Alonso who had fresher tyres (in 6 et 7 position), and in Jeddah we all forgot it but Bottas could finish ahead of him without all the red flags drama which could have changed everything.
It was a very long season and everyone had his moments of luck, I don't think in the end Hamilton or Verstappen had more luck than the other one.

Why was Spa and Russia a luck? In Spa, Max put the car on pole and lead the race under whatever conditions available. In Russia, the team made an inspired call to pit him at the right time. Rain is a factor in races and it's a skill to put the car on pole and pit at the right time. That is not luck.

It's luck when you qualify on pole and there's no race, especially when it's a track who was arguably favouring Merc... It would be the same if it was the case in Russia when Max started last...

In Russia ofc the call was good, but again Verstappen was in a situation when he had nothing to lose (like yersteday) and was totally stuck behind a group of cars so it's just luck in a sense that without this rain he would finish 7th and pay at a way higher cost his new engine in the pool.

We have different definitions of luck.

[Starkblood80]

Hamilton had way more luck with the SC in Imola. It's insulting to say that Verstappen just won the championship because he was lucky, when Hamilton had more luck throughout the season. Well deserved Max. Most wins, poles, most podiums and laps led in 2021.

You are right, max didn’t win because he was lucky, he won because of race manipulation by the officials who should be impartial.

[Tvetovnato]

Why was Spa and Russia a luck? In Spa, Max put the car on pole and lead the race under whatever conditions available. In Russia, the team made an inspired call to pit him at the right time. Rain is a factor in races and it's a skill to put the car on pole and pit at the right time. That is not luck.

Even you cannot possibly defend handing out points for the Spa farce. At no point are points awarded for putting the car on pole (save for the sprint races, but this was no sprint race). He didn’t lead the race, because there was no race. They were driving behind a safety car with no allowance to even try an overtake. If you defend that, you seriously have no interest in sporting fairness whatsoever.

What exact sporting fairness you are talking about? The fair decision in Silverstone was to dismiss Lewis for taking his rival out, not a useless 10 second penalty. It wasn't fair to penalize Max and Checo when they lost their engines for no fault of their owns. We can go on and on about these things.

OK, so one final time about Silverstone, that everyone loves to use as a defence for everything.

1. It’s not comparable to Spa to begin with, since it was an actual racing situation
2. Lewis went for a LEGITIMATE move (almost fully alongside into the corner)
3. They touch, which sometimes happens in racing
4. The blame is put PREDOMINANTLY on Lewis, since he --- up the most
5. Max had a share of the blame, since Lewis was not wholly to blame acc to point 4
6. Lewis got a 10 second penalty since the actual offence did not warrant more (we don’t penalize based on consequences)
7. Lewis served the penalty, came back and won the race
8. Done

Now with that RACING SITUATION out of the way, let’s go back to the non-race where points were handed out freely at Spa, that in the end decided the championship. How is that fair according to any sporting regulations?

[DChemTech]

Why was Spa and Russia a luck? In Spa, Max put the car on pole and lead the race under whatever conditions available. In Russia, the team made an inspired call to pit him at the right time. Rain is a factor in races and it's a skill to put the car on pole and pit at the right time. That is not luck.

Even you cannot possibly defend handing out points for the Spa farce. At no point are points awarded for putting the car on pole (save for the sprint races, but this was no sprint race). He didn’t lead the race, because there was no race. They were driving behind a safety car with no allowance to even try an overtake. If you defend that, you seriously have no interest in sporting fairness whatsoever.

What exact sporting fairness you are talking about? The fair decision in Silverstone was to dismiss Lewis for taking his rival out, not a useless 10 second penalty. It wasn't fair to penalize Max and Checo when they lost their engines for no fault of their owns. We can go on and on about these things.

There isn't really an option to give such a penalty, unless maybe there was intent, but there was not. The 'just' outcome would be that both DNFfed, but there Lewis had a bout of luck with the red flag. Which was sour for RB fans (self-included), but it was as it was.

[Spoutnik]

Why was Spa and Russia a luck? In Spa, Max put the car on pole and lead the race under whatever conditions available. In Russia, the team made an inspired call to pit him at the right time. Rain is a factor in races and it's a skill to put the car on pole and pit at the right time. That is not luck.

Even you cannot possibly defend handing out points for the Spa farce. At no point are points awarded for putting the car on pole (save for the sprint races, but this was no sprint race). He didn’t lead the race, because there was no race. They were driving behind a safety car with no allowance to even try an overtake. If you defend that, you seriously have no interest in sporting fairness whatsoever.

What exact sporting fairness you are talking about? The fair decision in Silverstone was to dismiss Lewis for taking his rival out, not a useless 10 second penalty. It wasn't fair to penalize Max and Checo when they lost their engines for no fault of their owns. We can go on and on about these things.

Verstappen made the same maneuver at Interlagos at lower speed, but Lewis backed off. I don't think if it finished like in Silverstone you would say the same thing if Hamilton couldn't reovertake Max which would have been decisive for the Championship.
Some maneuvers can't be penalised for the consequences they have, otherwise Grosjean should pay a tax to Alonso each years I mean...

[Aesop]

Hamilton had way more luck with the SC in Imola. It's insulting to say that Verstappen just won the championship because he was lucky, when Hamilton had more luck throughout the season. Well deserved Max. Most wins, poles, most podiums and laps led in 2021.

You are right, max didn’t win because he was lucky, he won because of race manipulation by the officials who should be impartial.

Max won because yesterday he was lucky. He almost lost because Masi was too hesitant about letting lapped cars unlap. That's the main point.

[Tom145145]

Hamilton had way more luck with the SC in Imola. It's insulting to say that Verstappen just won the championship because he was lucky, when Hamilton had more luck throughout the season. Well deserved Max. Most wins, poles, most podiums and laps led in 2021.

You are right, max didn’t win because he was lucky, he won because of race manipulation by the officials who should be impartial.

Max won because yesterday he was lucky. He almost lost because Masi was too hesitant about letting lapped cars unlap. That's the main point.

What is the obsession with luck, luck had nothing to do with it. When you get a gift it’s not luck, he was gifted the lap and the removal of that lapped cars. Why were the other cars not allowed to unlap?

[Hammerfist]

Why was Spa and Russia a luck? In Spa, Max put the car on pole and lead the race under whatever conditions available. In Russia, the team made an inspired call to pit him at the right time. Rain is a factor in races and it's a skill to put the car on pole and pit at the right time. That is not luck.

Even you cannot possibly defend handing out points for the Spa farce. At no point are points awarded for putting the car on pole (save for the sprint races, but this was no sprint race). He didn’t lead the race, because there was no race. They were driving behind a safety car with no allowance to even try an overtake. If you defend that, you seriously have no interest in sporting fairness whatsoever.

What exact sporting fairness you are talking about? The fair decision in Silverstone was to dismiss Lewis for taking his rival out, not a useless 10 second penalty. It wasn't fair to penalize Max and Checo when they lost their engines for no fault of their owns. We can go on and on about these things.

Nonsense. Max turned in on Lewis at Silverstone. The consensus was a racing incident as both drivers could have avoided the incident. You guys are getting annoying to just keep bringing this up when it was just another penalty that was given only because one of the competitors was taken out. In a perfect world, both guys crash out of the race. Stop bringing it up like Hamilton was solely responsible for it. Just stop.

[Aesop]

You are right, max didn’t win because he was lucky, he won because of race manipulation by the officials who should be impartial.

Max won because yesterday he was lucky. He almost lost because Masi was too hesitant about letting lapped cars unlap. That's the main point.

What is the obsession with luck, luck had nothing to do with it. When you get a gift it’s not luck, he was gifted the lap and the removal of that lapped cars. Why were the other cars not allowed to unlap?

Because Masi realized he messed up. Normale procedure would be unlapping all the lapped cars, which was possible earlier on, then a restart and a Final lap under green. For whatever reason Masi chose otherwise, defying precedent, and doing so screwing Max and RB, and then, at the last possible moment had a change of heart.

So, Max got lucky with the SC, was momentarily screwed by Masi, and then justice was done.

[jumpingfish]

Ross Brawn didn't know whether to be happy or to be annoyed: "The decision in the last lap is a highlight that cannot be topped. Unfortunately, the protest takes a bit of the shine from this final." The Englishman takes the much-criticized race director Masi under protection: "It is not acceptable that the team bosses put Michael under such pressure during the race. Toto Wolff cannot demand that a safety car should not come, and Christian Horner cannot demand that the cars have to lap back. That is at the discretion of the race director. We will stop this contact next year. "

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... iert-2022/

[bonjon1979]

Max won because yesterday he was lucky. He almost lost because Masi was too hesitant about letting lapped cars unlap. That's the main point.

What is the obsession with luck, luck had nothing to do with it. When you get a gift it’s not luck, he was gifted the lap and the removal of that lapped cars. Why were the other cars not allowed to unlap?

Because Masi realized he messed up. Normale procedure would be unlapping all the lapped cars, which was possible earlier on, then a restart and a Final lap under green. For whatever reason Masi chose otherwise, defying precedent, and doing so screwing Max and RB, and then, at the last possible moment had a change of heart.

So, Max got lucky with the SC, was momentarily screwed by Masi, and then justice was done.

There were marshalls on the track. That's why the lapped cars weren't released. It was only halfway through the penultimate lap that the track was clear. At this stage though, if the rules were followed it was too late for the race to be restarted. Masi broke the rules to fix the race. That's all there is to it. He could've just started the race without letting the 4 cars in between max and lewis through and that would've totally been fine in line with the regulations. If he was releasing unlapped cars, it should've been all of them - which there wasn't time to do. So he instead fixed the race for Max to win by moving the cars he needed out of the way.