2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

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jumpingfish wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:52
Ross Brawn didn't know whether to be happy or to be annoyed: "The decision in the last lap is a highlight that cannot be topped. Unfortunately, the protest takes a bit of the shine from this final." The Englishman takes the much-criticized race director Masi under protection: "It is not acceptable that the team bosses put Michael under such pressure during the race. Toto Wolff cannot demand that a safety car should not come, and Christian Horner cannot demand that the cars have to lap back. That is at the discretion of the race director. We will stop this contact next year. "
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... iert-2022/
I don't have access to the full article, but if this citing is anything to go by, it's just confirmation that Masi was receiving orders and that everything was intentional. Possibly, he will keep his job too.

Great stuff, Ross. :lol: :lol:

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jumpingfish wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:52
Ross Brawn didn't know whether to be happy or to be annoyed: "The decision in the last lap is a highlight that cannot be topped. Unfortunately, the protest takes a bit of the shine from this final." The Englishman takes the much-criticized race director Masi under protection: "It is not acceptable that the team bosses put Michael under such pressure during the race. Toto Wolff cannot demand that a safety car should not come, and Christian Horner cannot demand that the cars have to lap back. That is at the discretion of the race director. We will stop this contact next year. "
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... iert-2022/
Talk about towing the party line and shifting the blame...
I wonder how he'd have felt were he still in charge of Brawn and such a decision allowed Vettel to overtake Button on the last lap of the last GP for the WDC title?

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jumpingfish wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:52
Ross Brawn didn't know whether to be happy or to be annoyed: "The decision in the last lap is a highlight that cannot be topped. Unfortunately, the protest takes a bit of the shine from this final." The Englishman takes the much-criticized race director Masi under protection: "It is not acceptable that the team bosses put Michael under such pressure during the race. Toto Wolff cannot demand that a safety car should not come, and Christian Horner cannot demand that the cars have to lap back. That is at the discretion of the race director. We will stop this contact next year. "
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... iert-2022/
And there we have it, from the man himself. The bosses of F1 thought that the last lap was a highlight. The show is all that matters. Integrity is irrelevant. Damning words from the MD of F1.
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Lewis had easy peasy runs for years and accumulated 7 championship. Out of those 7, 5 championship any other driver on the grid would have won (car was that superior) , except bottas. F1 was boring , max made it exciting. I hope we have exciting championships in years to come.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:59
jumpingfish wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:52
Ross Brawn didn't know whether to be happy or to be annoyed: "The decision in the last lap is a highlight that cannot be topped. Unfortunately, the protest takes a bit of the shine from this final." The Englishman takes the much-criticized race director Masi under protection: "It is not acceptable that the team bosses put Michael under such pressure during the race. Toto Wolff cannot demand that a safety car should not come, and Christian Horner cannot demand that the cars have to lap back. That is at the discretion of the race director. We will stop this contact next year. "
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... iert-2022/
And there we have it, from the man himself. The bosses of F1 thought that the last lap was a highlight. The show is all that matters. Integrity is irrelevant. Damning words from the MD of F1.
Money talks in the end. It’s a huge shame that it has become a show more than a sport. Huge shame.

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Hammerfist wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:28
Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 13:52
Tvetovnato wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 13:48


Even you cannot possibly defend handing out points for the Spa farce. At no point are points awarded for putting the car on pole (save for the sprint races, but this was no sprint race). He didn’t lead the race, because there was no race. They were driving behind a safety car with no allowance to even try an overtake. If you defend that, you seriously have no interest in sporting fairness whatsoever.
What exact sporting fairness you are talking about? The fair decision in Silverstone was to dismiss Lewis for taking his rival out, not a useless 10 second penalty. It wasn't fair to penalize Max and Checo when they lost their engines for no fault of their owns. We can go on and on about these things.
Nonsense. Max turned in on Lewis at Silverstone. The consensus was a racing incident as both drivers could have avoided the incident. You guys are getting annoying to just keep bringing this up when it was just another penalty that was given only because one of the competitors was taken out. In a perfect world, both guys crash out of the race. Stop bringing it up like Hamilton was solely responsible for it. Just stop.
Seems like raw nerves here. I won't stop. :) Lewis should have been disqualified in Silverstone. Period.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:59
jumpingfish wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:52
Ross Brawn didn't know whether to be happy or to be annoyed: "The decision in the last lap is a highlight that cannot be topped. Unfortunately, the protest takes a bit of the shine from this final." The Englishman takes the much-criticized race director Masi under protection: "It is not acceptable that the team bosses put Michael under such pressure during the race. Toto Wolff cannot demand that a safety car should not come, and Christian Horner cannot demand that the cars have to lap back. That is at the discretion of the race director. We will stop this contact next year. "
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... iert-2022/
And there we have it, from the man himself. The bosses of F1 thought that the last lap was a highlight. The show is all that matters. Integrity is irrelevant. Damning words from the MD of F1.
As I said yesterday, F1 has two choices; brand it as the new era of racing and "that's how things gonna be" or sacrifice Masi to calm people down, secretly promoting "the show".

It's liberating they chose the first (per Ross Brawn's interview), I'm not even angry for my time and money that was lost, this is straight up laughable.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:59
jumpingfish wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:52
Ross Brawn didn't know whether to be happy or to be annoyed: "The decision in the last lap is a highlight that cannot be topped. Unfortunately, the protest takes a bit of the shine from this final." The Englishman takes the much-criticized race director Masi under protection: "It is not acceptable that the team bosses put Michael under such pressure during the race. Toto Wolff cannot demand that a safety car should not come, and Christian Horner cannot demand that the cars have to lap back. That is at the discretion of the race director. We will stop this contact next year. "
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... iert-2022/
And there we have it, from the man himself. The bosses of F1 thought that the last lap was a highlight. The show is all that matters. Integrity is irrelevant. Damning words from the MD of F1.
Did you see he is supporting race director and says the decisions were the discretion of the race director. I agree that as well. Not what people are going on about.
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Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 15:06
Hammerfist wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:28
Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 13:52
What exact sporting fairness you are talking about? The fair decision in Silverstone was to dismiss Lewis for taking his rival out, not a useless 10 second penalty. It wasn't fair to penalize Max and Checo when they lost their engines for no fault of their owns. We can go on and on about these things.
Nonsense. Max turned in on Lewis at Silverstone. The consensus was a racing incident as both drivers could have avoided the incident. You guys are getting annoying to just keep bringing this up when it was just another penalty that was given only because one of the competitors was taken out. In a perfect world, both guys crash out of the race. Stop bringing it up like Hamilton was solely responsible for it. Just stop.
Seems like raw nerves here. I won't stop. :) Lewis should have been disqualified in Silverstone. Period.
You won't win. I'd just let it rest.
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Artur Craft wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:47
This will heavily tarnish Hamilton´s career forever :!:

Not only he had a confortably faster car ( even on places like Monaco, where he was simply pathetic) for most of the season, but he had some huge luck on Baku, some favourable stewarding decicisons backing him up as the darling of the series (like in Imola when he was not punished for running off the track way too much), and the worst part was the dirty driving on Silverstone and Hungary(Silverstone will mark Hamilton´s career forever).

This is simply, without a doubt, the most humiliating and embarassing defeat in the history of the series. I can´t even remember anybody else losing while having the best car, massively luck and cheating all coming together.

But if this year was already brutal for LH fans, next year is gonna be something else because people will have no car excuse BS against Georgie boy :lol:
What season we're you watching?? Every single pundit and at time even Horner on occasion, thought the RBR was the faster car for much of the season.

How about trying to be a little more diplomatic?
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Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 15:06
Hammerfist wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:28
Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 13:52
What exact sporting fairness you are talking about? The fair decision in Silverstone was to dismiss Lewis for taking his rival out, not a useless 10 second penalty. It wasn't fair to penalize Max and Checo when they lost their engines for no fault of their owns. We can go on and on about these things.
Nonsense. Max turned in on Lewis at Silverstone. The consensus was a racing incident as both drivers could have avoided the incident. You guys are getting annoying to just keep bringing this up when it was just another penalty that was given only because one of the competitors was taken out. In a perfect world, both guys crash out of the race. Stop bringing it up like Hamilton was solely responsible for it. Just stop.
Seems like raw nerves here. I won't stop. :) Lewis should have been disqualified in Silverstone. Period.
Cool, so you don’t actually have any real arguments about it anymore. Max should have been disqualified for his brake testing in Jeddah. Period. :)

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Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 15:06
Hammerfist wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:28
Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 13:52
What exact sporting fairness you are talking about? The fair decision in Silverstone was to dismiss Lewis for taking his rival out, not a useless 10 second penalty. It wasn't fair to penalize Max and Checo when they lost their engines for no fault of their owns. We can go on and on about these things.
Nonsense. Max turned in on Lewis at Silverstone. The consensus was a racing incident as both drivers could have avoided the incident. You guys are getting annoying to just keep bringing this up when it was just another penalty that was given only because one of the competitors was taken out. In a perfect world, both guys crash out of the race. Stop bringing it up like Hamilton was solely responsible for it. Just stop.
Seems like raw nerves here. I won't stop. :) Lewis should have been disqualified in Silverstone. Period.
Please do stop. I was annoyed at Silverstone too. I think it would have been more just if Lewis DNFfed there, too. But that is not how things played out. That doesn't mean we should ask for disproportional penalties - a DSQ is not a proper penalty for what is essentially a racing accident, even if one driver can be blamed a bit more than the other. And continuing to call for that does not reflect well on Max fans (of which I am one). We're already outnumbered here, let's at least keep a bit of class.

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adrianjordan wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 15:12

What season we're you watching?? Every single pundit and at time even Horner on occasion, thought the RBR was the faster car for much of the season.

How about trying to be a little more diplomatic?
They thought it was faster because Merc were complacent for most of the season, simply put.

How many times over this era have you seen any team truly challenge Merc? I'll give you a hint, you can count it on one hand. Any challenges were short lived up until this season where RBR/Max actually truly gave them a run for their money.

Don't buy this theory that Merc were at any stage at a disadvantage in terms of their car or having the resources to quickly get back on top, which you could see in the last 3-4 races of the season.

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DChemTech wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 15:17
Ryar wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 15:06
Hammerfist wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 14:28


Nonsense. Max turned in on Lewis at Silverstone. The consensus was a racing incident as both drivers could have avoided the incident. You guys are getting annoying to just keep bringing this up when it was just another penalty that was given only because one of the competitors was taken out. In a perfect world, both guys crash out of the race. Stop bringing it up like Hamilton was solely responsible for it. Just stop.
Seems like raw nerves here. I won't stop. :) Lewis should have been disqualified in Silverstone. Period.
Please do stop. I was annoyed at Silverstone too. I think it would have been more just if Lewis DNFfed there, too. But that is not how things played out. That doesn't mean we should ask for disproportional penalties - a DSQ is not a proper penalty for what is essentially a racing accident, even if one driver can be blamed a bit more than the other. And continuing to call for that does not reflect well on Max fans (of which I am one). We're already outnumbered here, let's at least keep a bit of class.
Isn't it easy to ignore posts, instead of coming back at a poster and telling, "stop". Nobody does. I would appreciate people arguing on, but bossing around saying, "stop", is not acceptable. If there are points, feel free to put forward and and debate on.
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What a totally useless tit for tat this is becoming. Fanboy-ism at its finest.

All about perceived injustices. Perceived manipulation. Perceived wrongdoing. Selectively using the rulebook, ignoring the fact there are final arbiter calls that supercede any rule.
All very much Based on their own bias of who got sleighted.

Fact is, we have 2 racers that have been the standout performers this year. Battles have gone up to and over the limit. Not always fair, but life isn’t. I could have lived with either one winning the title. I just want to see an adjudicator that is less involved with teams. This bargaining has no place in professional sport. Equally the stewarding rules need a serious rethink and everyone’s expectations of what is/isn’t allowed is fully clear at the start of the new year. And then it has to be applied with a high level of consistency.

Further to that: please add gravel to overtaking corners so jeopardy comes back to the racing.