2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

[radosav]

and you make my point thank you.

People are accepting the absurd rigging due to have agendas against Lewis and in their interests for the ending to be rigged.

No rigging is acceptable a sport, how hard is that understand.

some people say that merc was fooling all by hiding their engine performance during last eight years, as they were deep involved in arhitecture of hybrid engines, while having draft of their engine for some time, there are always more perspectives involved

and?

That isn't illegal so? Whats the point of rasing it.

If they started early on hybrid engines, that was good planning on their part, the other teams could have done aswell, again nothing illegal.

Why are you rasing a load of whatboutery points that have nothing to do with Race Control ignoring their own written rules.

There is no perspectives involved what what you post is simple rubbish.

is it legal to hide from teams that buy your engines their real potential?

[f1jcw]

Irony

Do you want to point out what is incorrect?

Running a engine at a lower speed isnt' illegal.
Working on rules before being finalised isn't illegal.


Please point out which part is rubbish?

What does that have to do with the subject being discussed?
Every time Merc is mentioned someone says Ah well they had 10 years start on every one else , so I though tI would get it in first so people can see how stupid it sounds

You may not have realised (this is the only explanation I can think off) but I was responding to something someone else had posted on it.

I didn't raise it so not sure why you are posting what you are to me, instead of the other person.

[f1jcw]

some people say that merc was fooling all by hiding their engine performance during last eight years, as they were deep involved in arhitecture of hybrid engines, while having draft of their engine for some time, there are always more perspectives involved

and?

That isn't illegal so? Whats the point of rasing it.

If they started early on hybrid engines, that was good planning on their part, the other teams could have done aswell, again nothing illegal.

Why are you rasing a load of whatboutery points that have nothing to do with Race Control ignoring their own written rules.

There is no perspectives involved what what you post is simple rubbish.

is it legal to hide from teams that buy your engines their real potential?

You are yet again making things up.

[mwillems]

Also a keen watcher would notice the marshalls were given the hurry up to pin up that armco.
Something was really off. The track wasnt even fully cleared and the barrier also was not repaired for safety. It stinks.

But onto the race. As what cannot be erased is the stain of this title year. It will never go away. Sad for Max that his title is stained, but he can blame his team principal and Masi for that. I think outside of Lewis haters and dutch fans everyone knows that a robbery tool place.

Saiz snatch P5 from lando in the championship.
I think it was well deserved because mclaren just ran out of steam in the last 5 races. It's really difficult to understand.
He beat leclerc as well. Leclerc who is supposed to be ferrari's #1 wonderboy got beat by the new comer! Sainz beat him on clinical driving and race management.
So i am expecting a heated battle next year between these two.
I dont know if this result was also a part of the Masi mess as i was not watching the ferraris. But Leclerc may have made too many errors this year.
Norris just lost all steam and Riciardo started to look like he was on par with him.

We Dutchies absolutely don’t think like you, we’re happy with his insane talent and driving. He’s basically the one who made this sport enjoyable again with the Mercedes dominance. He was the best driver of 2021 and the rightful champion. Stop being so negative and write stuff how you think others think or feel.

I feel bad for Hamilton, but this is autosport where anything can happen, he is and will still be a legend and will get his chance next year cause I’m pretty sure they will have the best car in 2022, Russell will have no chance against him.

The complaints are about the stewardship and marshalling of the driving standards though, not against Verstappen.

As much as you like him and his driving, you have to look beyond who you favour and recognise that everyone still has to operate in a fair and clear manner, otherwise it is not fair competition. If you are not able to see beyond who is your favourite driver then there's no point discussing the issues with you.

Otherwise this has just become Eurovision on wheels.

[Big Tea]

Do you want to point out what is incorrect?

Running a engine at a lower speed isnt' illegal.
Working on rules before being finalised isn't illegal.


Please point out which part is rubbish?

What does that have to do with the subject being discussed?
Every time Merc is mentioned someone says Ah well they had 10 years start on every one else , so I though tI would get it in first so people can see how stupid it sounds

You may not have realised (this is the only explanation I can think off) but I was responding to something someone else had posted on it.

I didn't raise it so not sure why you are posting what you are to me, instead of the other person.

Sorry, see my edit, I was to slow correcting it.

[f1jcw]

What does that have to do with the subject being discussed?
Every time Merc is mentioned someone says Ah well they had 10 years start on every one else , so I though tI would get it in first so people can see how stupid it sounds

You may not have realised (this is the only explanation I can think off) but I was responding to something someone else had posted on it.

I didn't raise it so not sure why you are posting what you are to me, instead of the other person.

Sorry, see my edit, I was to slow correcting it.

I'd give a thumbsup but don't seem to have that smilies!


I don't think it is fair that Max loses the WDC, but this can't sit right as it is. There needs to be a massive review.

[radosav]

and you make my point thank you.

People are accepting the absurd rigging due to have agendas against Lewis and in their interests for the ending to be rigged.

No rigging is acceptable a sport, how hard is that understand.

some people say that merc was fooling all by hiding their engine performance during last eight years, as they were deep involved in arhitecture of hybrid engines, while having draft of their engine for some time, there are always more perspectives involved

Again, you are trying to justify yesterdays appalling race management by bringing up something which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic in hand.

i am just trying to say that all of you have grasped on single lap of one race, but there is more to it. whole season, whole eight seasons of merc dominance, engine controversy, secret tyre test controversy and so on. it is the way that F1 works all the time, allowing one team dominance for some time and then taking it back, with one eye closed on some events during that period. merc knows that and they accepted it, they are part of this show but it will not change anything, every single fan will look at next year tests even more, there are newspapers full of f1 in whole world right now, even samuel l jackson writes about it. merc is part of this too, they will calm down their rhethoric soon. it is the way this big machinery called F1 works.
get over it

[Big Tea]

You may not have realised (this is the only explanation I can think off) but I was responding to something someone else had posted on it.

I didn't raise it so not sure why you are posting what you are to me, instead of the other person.

Sorry, see my edit, I was to slow correcting it.

I'd give a thumbsup but don't seem to have that smilies!


I don't think it is fair that Max loses the WDC, but this can't sit right as it is. There needs to be a massive review.

It's late here and I am not as sharp as I should be I had better log off before I start a fight. Apologies again

[Phil]

Sport sometimes means that the guy you dont like wins. Sometimes, even the one who didnt deserve wins. But the inportant thing is, that it was done within the rules. If you take that away, it’s meaningless and hollow.

[radosav]

and?

That isn't illegal so? Whats the point of rasing it.

If they started early on hybrid engines, that was good planning on their part, the other teams could have done aswell, again nothing illegal.

Why are you rasing a load of whatboutery points that have nothing to do with Race Control ignoring their own written rules.

There is no perspectives involved what what you post is simple rubbish.

is it legal to hide from teams that buy your engines their real potential?

You are yet again making things up.

i am asking a reasonable question, it is a possibility that merc did that

[TwanV]

I'm just going to post this here, so we can all keep things in perspective.

[f1jcw]

I'm just going to post this here, so we can all keep things in perspective.
https://cdn.cleverism.com/wp-content/u ... 308500.png

Why be in denial when the race control actually ignore their own written rules.

I don't get this ignore it and move on, why should people move on. It was an illegal action and Merc either need to take it further or FIA need to make a statement explaining the illegal actions of their employee.

If you are mugged and robbed, do you just shrug your shoulders and move on, or do you contact the police?

[dans79]

is it legal to hide from teams that buy your engines their real potential?

You are yet again making things up.

i am asking a reasonable question, it is a possibility that merc did that

No it's not illegal. The only thing that's illegal is preventing a customer team from using an engine mode that you have personally used! However you can advise them that if they don't want the engine to go boom, the need to ensure they meet certain requirements.

[theblackangus]

Just to state my 2 cents here...
I am not a Max or Lewis fan, I was happy as anyone Redbull and Max were able to challenge this year, as its been a bit of a snooze fest for a while as far as the WDC/WWC is concerned.
But this was just crazy bad handling of the officiation all year long with a climax at the end.
This is no way for a championship to be decided and really no way for a sports series to be run with such wishy washy handling of the rules.
If F1 keeps along this path no-one will take it seriously and frankly they will lose alot of fans who want to see sport not drama.
Both guys deserved to win this year, but neither deserved it happen like this.
Just sad really.

[Fairplay]

Also a keen watcher would notice the marshalls were given the hurry up to pin up that armco.
Something was really off. The track wasnt even fully cleared and the barrier also was not repaired for safety. It stinks.

But onto the race. As what cannot be erased is the stain of this title year. It will never go away. Sad for Max that his title is stained, but he can blame his team principal and Masi for that. I think outside of Lewis haters and dutch fans everyone knows that a robbery tool place.

Saiz snatch P5 from lando in the championship.
I think it was well deserved because mclaren just ran out of steam in the last 5 races. It's really difficult to understand.
He beat leclerc as well. Leclerc who is supposed to be ferrari's #1 wonderboy got beat by the new comer! Sainz beat him on clinical driving and race management.
So i am expecting a heated battle next year between these two.
I dont know if this result was also a part of the Masi mess as i was not watching the ferraris. But Leclerc may have made too many errors this year.
Norris just lost all steam and Riciardo started to look like he was on par with him.

We Dutchies absolutely don’t think like you, we’re happy with his insane talent and driving. He’s basically the one who made this sport enjoyable again with the Mercedes dominance. He was the best driver of 2021 and the rightful champion. Stop being so negative and write stuff how you think others think or feel.

I feel bad for Hamilton, but this is autosport where anything can happen, he is and will still be a legend and will get his chance next year cause I’m pretty sure they will have the best car in 2022, Russell will have no chance against him.

Jeremy Clarkson , in The Sunday Times, called Verstappen "a thug" and he too supported him. This unfortunately seems to be the mentality of many of Verstappen's fans. Anything goes, don't bother about the rules. It does not seem
very honest or sporting to me.