2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

[jz11]

Was he on track between Verstappen and Hamilton in the SC queue? I'd heard he was, and that was why, but I really don't know.

Or it could have been an ultra cautious move just to minimise even slightly the risk of anything extending the SC period. Or he could have been on the verge of conking out.

your first point makes zero sense in more or less objective view - think about how he went by in quali, would you really not expect him to fully sacrifice his position for Max to get by quicker?

underfueling would make more sense, though Perez would be aware of that, but he sounded quite surprised when was told about having to retire the car, but if he was so obviously underfueled, I'd expect more pace from him, he was dropping off at more or less usual rate as far as I remember, but yeah, that would be Flavio game level

p.s. just thought of a meme - Ferrari strategists shaking Mercedes strategists hands and saying something along the lines - we feel for you, you did everything right...

He was sacrificed to ensure Max had a shot at Lewis.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/how-cruc ... -f1-title/

Perez retired from third place under the late-race safety car. He put that down to the fear that he might suffer an engine failure that could have extended the safety car period and denied Verstappen his shot at victory.

This was down to a combination of the age of the engine, and the fact that it had been pushed hard to ensure Perez could play a role in the battle at the front.

“The engine was on the limit,” said Perez.

“The last thing that we wanted was to have a failure and then not have the opportunity for Max to have that lap.”

I was rewatching the 2007. season highlights yesterday, and thought it would have been so much better without the team orders, because that basically made the grid 1/2 competitive, but then again - there would be no way of policing any cheats, and there would definitely be a couple at the very least

Perez knew why he got the seat, and I think he was perfect all weekend, and I also think had Bottas been aware of his true position from the start, he'd do a similarly great job

[west52keep64]

Had Merc called in Hamilton for a set of softs, he would still have been in front of Verstappen and held him off.

Could you talk me through this? Hamilton was ahead of Max on track, so there's no way he can "mirror" Max because he would need to pass the pit entry before Max does. That meant Red Bull can basically do the opposite of whatever Merc did. Maybe Merc could have pitted the very next lap, but that definitely would put them behind Max on track... I can't see a scenario where Hamilton could have been ahead of Max with a new set of softs...

[dans79]

Perez knew why he got the seat, and I think he was perfect all weekend, and I also think had Bottas been aware of his true position from the start, he'd do a similarly great job

I think Bottas was promoted because people had high expectations of him. However he couldn't consistently perform at the same level as his teammate!

[outer_bongolia]

Yeah that Stroll video actually made me laugh out loud at how much of a comedy it was. Stroll sums it up nicely.

It's also just occurred to me and I'm guessing this has probably been covered already but when Max overtakes Ham in the breaking zone on the final lap he then proceeds to weave down the entire straight after - why was nothing made of that, are we allowing weaving now too? Or is that just another technical foul of 'worst case black and white flag' which = nothing

I think the best thing that FIA can do is exclude the results of this race due to irregularities and decide on the WDC on the last standings before it.

This keeps Max as the WDC, accepts Merc’s complaint that FIA and Masi royally messed things up.

It also fixes up a huge PR problem for both FIA and Merc. Just think of the backlash against Merc if their complaint is accepted (“Ham and Merc won the WDC in the courtroom”) or against FIA if he did not (“Masi rigged the last race to make Max the champion”).

[holeindalip]

Double post

[Ryar]

your first point makes zero sense in more or less objective view - think about how he went by in quali, would you really not expect him to fully sacrifice his position for Max to get by quicker?

underfueling would make more sense, though Perez would be aware of that, but he sounded quite surprised when was told about having to retire the car, but if he was so obviously underfueled, I'd expect more pace from him, he was dropping off at more or less usual rate as far as I remember, but yeah, that would be Flavio game level

p.s. just thought of a meme - Ferrari strategists shaking Mercedes strategists hands and saying something along the lines - we feel for you, you did everything right...

He was sacrificed to ensure Max had a shot at Lewis.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/how-cruc ... -f1-title/

Perez retired from third place under the late-race safety car. He put that down to the fear that he might suffer an engine failure that could have extended the safety car period and denied Verstappen his shot at victory.

This was down to a combination of the age of the engine, and the fact that it had been pushed hard to ensure Perez could play a role in the battle at the front.

“The engine was on the limit,” said Perez.

“The last thing that we wanted was to have a failure and then not have the opportunity for Max to have that lap.”

I was rewatching the 2007. season highlights yesterday, and thought it would have been so much better without the team orders, because that basically made the grid 1/2 competitive, but then again - there would be no way of policing any cheats, and there would definitely be a couple at the very least

Perez knew why he got the seat, and I think he was perfect all weekend, and I also think had Bottas been aware of his true position from the start, he'd do a similarly great job

But then how would some argue Lewis fought hard against his team mate, which was fundamental for the fight of establishing his reputation here. Mercedes wanted the No. 2 driver, but were not willing to be open about it. They kept mooting the equal treatment sham, but kept using Bottas as a prop, albeit an ineffective one. Bottas was under the false impression that he can fight, but in reality he wasn't allowed to. Nobody seems to have clearly explained his role to him, which is why he behaved as he did. No fault of his. Just the lack of clear goal setting.

[kenshi_blind]

Yeah that Stroll video actually made me laugh out loud at how much of a comedy it was. Stroll sums it up nicely.

It's also just occurred to me and I'm guessing this has probably been covered already but when Max overtakes Ham in the breaking zone on the final lap he then proceeds to weave down the entire straight after - why was nothing made of that, are we allowing weaving now too? Or is that just another technical foul of 'worst case black and white flag' which = nothing

I think the best thing that FIA can do is exclude the results of this race due to irregularities and decide on the WDC on the results up to it.

This keeps Max as the WDC, accepts Merc’s complaint that FIA and Masi royally messed things up.

It also fixes up a huge PR problem for both FIA and Merc. Just think of the huge backlash against Merc if their complaint is accepted (“Ham and Merc won the WDC in the courtroom”) or against FIA if he did not (“Masi rigged the last race to make Max the champion”).

Why would Mercedes accept that.they didn't do anything wrong and the logic would suggest the end of the race should be set before the --- show happened .why would the whole grand Prix be discarded ?
The FIA messed up and put the sport into disrepute and somehow Mercedes has to be one worried of backlash ?

[holeindalip]

Yeah that Stroll video actually made me laugh out loud at how much of a comedy it was. Stroll sums it up nicely.

It's also just occurred to me and I'm guessing this has probably been covered already but when Max overtakes Ham in the breaking zone on the final lap he then proceeds to weave down the entire straight after - why was nothing made of that, are we allowing weaving now too? Or is that just another technical foul of 'worst case black and white flag' which = nothing

then you should also exclude the results for spa since a race didn’t even take place….
I think the best thing that FIA can do is exclude the results of this race due to irregularities and decide on the WDC on the results up to it.

This keeps Max as the WDC, accepts Merc’s complaint that FIA and Masi royally messed things up.

It also fixes up a huge PR problem for both FIA and Merc. Just think of the huge backlash against Merc if their complaint is accepted (“Ham and Merc won the WDC in the courtroom”) or against FIA if he did not (“Masi rigged the last race to make Max the champion”).

Then you should exclude the results for Spa since a race never took place…

[ringo]

Aral understand that whatever hamilton did Masi would do anything to give Max the win.
If they pitted hamilton he would lose track position to Max then the safety car would have stayed out to the end and Hamilton loses the championship.
He was destined to lose this year at the hands of the FIA.
There was nothing that merc could have done strategy wise to help lewis. Only way he won is if Latifi does not crash. And i think latifi needs to be investigated as well. He crash was nelson piquet jr esque.

[Just_a_fan]

Yeah that Stroll video actually made me laugh out loud at how much of a comedy it was. Stroll sums it up nicely.

It's also just occurred to me and I'm guessing this has probably been covered already but when Max overtakes Ham in the breaking zone on the final lap he then proceeds to weave down the entire straight after - why was nothing made of that, are we allowing weaving now too? Or is that just another technical foul of 'worst case black and white flag' which = nothing

then you should also exclude the results for spa since a race didn’t even take place….
I think the best thing that FIA can do is exclude the results of this race due to irregularities and decide on the WDC on the results up to it.

This keeps Max as the WDC, accepts Merc’s complaint that FIA and Masi royally messed things up.

It also fixes up a huge PR problem for both FIA and Merc. Just think of the huge backlash against Merc if their complaint is accepted (“Ham and Merc won the WDC in the courtroom”) or against FIA if he did not (“Masi rigged the last race to make Max the champion”).

Then you should exclude the results for Spa since a race never took place…

Which would also give Hamilton the title as they'd no longer be tied on points. I can't see that flying either, although I do like the idea.

[El Scorchio]

Has anyone found out why Perez was called in?

Was he on track between Verstappen and Hamilton in the SC queue? I'd heard he was, and that was why, but I really don't know.

Or it could have been an ultra cautious move just to minimise even slightly the risk of anything extending the SC period. Or he could have been on the verge of conking out.

your first point makes zero sense in more or less objective view - think about how he went by in quali, would you really not expect him to fully sacrifice his position for Max to get by quicker?

underfueling would make more sense, though Perez would be aware of that, but he sounded quite surprised when was told about having to retire the car, but if he was so obviously underfueled, I'd expect more pace from him, he was dropping off at more or less usual rate as far as I remember, but yeah, that would be Flavio game level

p.s. just thought of a meme - Ferrari strategists shaking Mercedes strategists hands and saying something along the lines - we feel for you, you did everything right...

I wasn’t making a point. I was asking a question because I don’t know where Perez was on track- but you crack on.

[DChemTech]

Yeah that Stroll video actually made me laugh out loud at how much of a comedy it was. Stroll sums it up nicely.

It's also just occurred to me and I'm guessing this has probably been covered already but when Max overtakes Ham in the breaking zone on the final lap he then proceeds to weave down the entire straight after - why was nothing made of that, are we allowing weaving now too? Or is that just another technical foul of 'worst case black and white flag' which = nothing

then you should also exclude the results for spa since a race didn’t even take place….
I think the best thing that FIA can do is exclude the results of this race due to irregularities and decide on the WDC on the results up to it.

This keeps Max as the WDC, accepts Merc’s complaint that FIA and Masi royally messed things up.

It also fixes up a huge PR problem for both FIA and Merc. Just think of the huge backlash against Merc if their complaint is accepted (“Ham and Merc won the WDC in the courtroom”) or against FIA if he did not (“Masi rigged the last race to make Max the champion”).

Then you should exclude the results for Spa since a race never took place…

And they should retroactively give Lewis a 3s time penalty for gaining the track and leaving an advantage 29x in Bahrain, which (in the terminology used here - not my choice) 'handed' him the win, and we can probably think of a few more things. Just go through the whole season again and revise all decisions that potentially impacted the outcome of the championship?

[Just_a_fan]

then you should also exclude the results for spa since a race didn’t even take place….
I think the best thing that FIA can do is exclude the results of this race due to irregularities and decide on the WDC on the results up to it.

This keeps Max as the WDC, accepts Merc’s complaint that FIA and Masi royally messed things up.

It also fixes up a huge PR problem for both FIA and Merc. Just think of the huge backlash against Merc if their complaint is accepted (“Ham and Merc won the WDC in the courtroom”) or against FIA if he did not (“Masi rigged the last race to make Max the champion”).

Then you should exclude the results for Spa since a race never took place…

And they should retroactively give Lewis a 3s time penalty for gaining the track and leaving an advantage 29x in Bahrain, which (in the terminology used here - not my choice) 'handed' him the win, and we can probably think of a few more things. Just go through the whole season again and revise all decisions that potentially impacted the outcome of the championship?

That's another great example of Masi making it up as he went along, thanks for the reminder.

Before the race, that corner was not going to be under the track limits penalty edict. Ergo, it was ok to run wide there. Then when Max was told to do by his team and queried the legality of doing so, the rule was changed and Mercedes told not to do it.

It's separate to Max's overtake off track - a rule which even Masi didn't try to alter this season - which was always considered illegal.

The man needs to go.

[Mattyw]

Yeah that Stroll video actually made me laugh out loud at how much of a comedy it was. Stroll sums it up nicely.

It's also just occurred to me and I'm guessing this has probably been covered already but when Max overtakes Ham in the breaking zone on the final lap he then proceeds to weave down the entire straight after - why was nothing made of that, are we allowing weaving now too? Or is that just another technical foul of 'worst case black and white flag' which = nothing

I think the best thing that FIA can do is exclude the results of this race due to irregularities and decide on the WDC on the last standings before it.

This keeps Max as the WDC, accepts Merc’s complaint that FIA and Masi royally messed things up.

It also fixes up a huge PR problem for both FIA and Merc. Just think of the backlash against Merc if their complaint is accepted (“Ham and Merc won the WDC in the courtroom”) or against FIA if he did not (“Masi rigged the last race to make Max the champion”).

Everything else aside though, the weaving down the straight?

Has anyone dealt with it?

I just watched it over. Goes from the right, full left, full right, full left, full right, left.

Like I say it's like a tactical yellow in football. Final lap so nothing comes of it as he only needed to defend that lap.

[Just_a_fan]

Double post

And it makes more sense than half the guff written on here!