2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[SiLo]

Asking for information, is OK.
Demanding information, is not so OK. No one is on trial.

"Please provide a source" is ok, "Provide a source" isn't? Is that where the line is? The former is a request, the later a demand. It's a semantic difference for many, especially non-native English speakers.

Not having a go, dear moderator, just pointing out that there is a very fine line here.

If someone states a "fact", either directly or by the manner of their post, it's not unreasonable on a technical forum for others to ask for sources / background.

If someone expresses an opinion, then that's "freedom of speech" stuff and should be considered accordingly by all concerned.

If asked for sources when "facts" are stated, giving extremely general references that don't actually deal with the issue being discussed is not great. This is a technical forum - reference a fact or state that it's an opinion. It's not a tricky thing to ask forum members to do.

If you can't substantiate a point, then say it's an opinion. If someone states a "fact" without substantiation then, in my opinion, the mods should be dealing with that post, not the ones requesting clarification.

I fully support this statement. I won't post anymore on the topic.

[Ryar]

Anyway, as I say in another post, I'm looking forward to seeing what Newey's team comes up with this year. The PU is now top drawer so it's going to come down to the designers to get the platform working well. Exciting times for us all, I'm sure you'll agree.

On sheer, collective team brilliance terms, it's hard to imagine Mercedes team getting beaten. They have made leaps and bounds progress in the last few years on chassis side. The question is, where is the breaking point for Mercedes team designers & engineers, when will they run out of steam. I just hope both teams (in fact more) come out with matching cars.

[Just_a_fan]

Anyway, as I say in another post, I'm looking forward to seeing what Newey's team comes up with this year. The PU is now top drawer so it's going to come down to the designers to get the platform working well. Exciting times for us all, I'm sure you'll agree.

On sheer, collective team brilliance terms, it's hard to imagine Mercedes team getting beaten. They have made leaps and bounds progress in the last few years on chassis side. The question is, where is the breaking point for Mercedes team designers & engineers, when will they run out of steam. I just hope both teams (in fact more) come out with matching cars.

With a totally new rule set, any team can find an advantage at the start of the new era albeit the advantage will often be copied fairly quickly. With Mercedes and Red Bull fighting tooth and claw to the last lap of the last race, they might be expected to be slightly behind the curve. Having said that, they are the top two teams of recent years so if anyone can fight and design at the same time, it's going to be them.

I'm hoping for a multi-team fight this year. A 2012-type year with multiple winners, etc., would be great, whatever the outcome at the end of the season.

[SiLo]

Are the regulations going to stifle Newey as the radius stipulations for bodywork really deter the use of vortexes to control airflow, which RB have traditionally been excellent at?

[lio007]

https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-anno ... r-for-2022

Red Bull have announced PokerStars as a new sponsor ahead of the 2022 season, as the online casino company increase their presence in Formula 1.

Red Bull have confirmed the deal will be a "multi-year" partnership, with branding appearing on the RB18 and the driver's race suits.

"Following last year's blockbuster Formula 1 season, I am delighted to kick off 2022 by announcing PokerStars as a new partner," said Red Bull team boss Christian Horner.

"In our sport, we see constant evolution, not only applied to the cars but also to new technologies that are focused on reaching the sport's global fanbase to provide new and interactive experiences for them to enjoy.

"We are pleased to welcome PokerStars to the team as F1 enjoys a period of growth in new and existing territories and look forward to getting the 2022 season underway together."

Owned by Flutter Entertainment, Pokerstars are the official European betting partner of F1 and, as such, a regional 'virtual advertising' partner. This means that Pokerstars are visible to European viewers, while 188Bet have the same arrangement in place for the Asian market.

[lio007]

Just a gossip/rumour?

Translated from the Japanese Auto Sport Web.

It was announced that Abiteboul would leave the Renault / Alpine F1 team in early 2021
and become a Mecachrome motorsport advisor in May.

However, it became clear that Abiteboul was invited as a guest of Red Bull at the 2021 F1 final round Abu Dhabi GP,
which surprised many people. Abiteboul spent a long time with Horner over the weekend.
As a result of the negotiations, Abiteboul has basically agreed
to represent the Red Bull Powertrains and manage non-technical aspects, according to a Red Bull source.

https://www.as-web.jp/f1/776733?all

There rumours are there for a while now, but personally I can't imagine Abiteboul and Horner to work together, at least based on the weird RIC DTS situation. But on the other hand, things and minds can change.

Confirmation: https://f1-insider.com/red-bull-markos- ... 022-40887/

Rumors have emerged from Great Britain that Marko is now wiping off the table. According to the rumors, former Renault F1 boss Cyril Abiteboul (44) is to join Red Bull as head of the newly formed engine department.

Marko can only shake his head at this: "I really don't know where this nonsense comes from. It's absolute nonsense. Ben Hodgkinson is the head of our engine project and will remain so. We hope he can start work as soon as possible."

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

[lio007]

That's good news:

[Wouter]

That's good news:
https://twitter.com/redbullracing/statu ... 92576?s=20

It's probably no coincidence that RB let Dan Fallows go to Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team much earlier
and Mercedes now let Hodgkinson go to RB Powertrains much earlier.

[lio007]

That's good news:
https://twitter.com/redbullracing/statu ... 92576?s=20

It's probably no coincidence that RB let Dan Fallows go to Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team much earlier
and Mercedes now let Hodgkinson go to RB Powertrains much earlier.

I thought about it as well. But why should Merc let their man go, that another team get their Technical Director earlier? What's the benefit for Merc here?

I'm afraid we will never know whats behind this deal.

[AeroDynamic]

Maybe Stroll had to pay a massive pay out to RBR and RBR used that to help (or even cover all of) some agreement with Mercedes to get Hodgkinson

[ME4ME]

Maybe no benefit for Merc but Toto is shareholder in Aston Martin..

[ispano6]

Not just Peter, everyone that worked to design and build the car deserve credit. It's the leader of the pack that gets named, which in Red Bull's case, is Newey.

Sadly it's a result of the "we must have a person to praise" / celebrity / star culture that the media loves to push these days. Star drivers, star designers, star managers. It's all tripe - F1 is a team game and no one, be that star designer, star driver, star manager, wins without the whole team working properly.

True f1 is always about the team not 1 person

You didn't answer the question or perhaps you avoided it: Who does Adrian Newey need to prove to that he isn't "overrated". Is there some kind of reason why he would be considered "overrated"? He is held in high regard by motorsport pundits and teams up and down the grid so...

Some may argue that aero nowadays is more reliant on CFD instead of pure aerodynamic knowledge and experience but of course we don't know how much Newey has been doing to keep up with such software or applied physics etc, though CFD in itself also should not be relied upon as the final word. As an engineer with first class honours degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics, perhaps what makes Newey successful isn't what is quantifiable but lies in the intangible, such as understanding what is needed for driver confidence and feel. His successes date farther back to his cars designed for Cart in the 80's and has a proven track record.

[Zynerji]

Anyway, as I say in another post, I'm looking forward to seeing what Newey's team comes up with this year. The PU is now top drawer so it's going to come down to the designers to get the platform working well. Exciting times for us all, I'm sure you'll agree.

On sheer, collective team brilliance terms, it's hard to imagine Mercedes team getting beaten. They have made leaps and bounds progress in the last few years on chassis side. The question is, where is the breaking point for Mercedes team designers & engineers, when will they run out of steam. I just hope both teams (in fact more) come out with matching cars.

With a totally new rule set, any team can find an advantage at the start of the new era albeit the advantage will often be copied fairly quickly. With Mercedes and Red Bull fighting tooth and claw to the last lap of the last race, they might be expected to be slightly behind the curve. Having said that, they are the top two teams of recent years so if anyone can fight and design at the same time, it's going to be them.

I'm hoping for a multi-team fight this year. A 2012-type year with multiple winners, etc., would be great, whatever the outcome at the end of the season.

+2!

10 winners in the first 10 raves, please!

[Zynerji]

Sadly it's a result of the "we must have a person to praise" / celebrity / star culture that the media loves to push these days. Star drivers, star designers, star managers. It's all tripe - F1 is a team game and no one, be that star designer, star driver, star manager, wins without the whole team working properly.

True f1 is always about the team not 1 person

You didn't answer the question or perhaps you avoided it: Who does Adrian Newey need to prove to that he isn't "overrated". Is there some kind of reason why he would be considered "overrated"? He is held in high regard by motorsport pundits and teams up and down the grid so...

Some may argue that aero nowadays is more reliant on CFD instead of pure aerodynamic knowledge and experience but of course we don't know how much Newey has been doing to keep up with such software or applied physics etc, though CFD in itself also should not be relied upon as the final word. As an engineer with first class honours degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics, perhaps what makes Newey successful isn't what is quantifiable but lies in the intangible, such as understanding what is needed for driver confidence and feel. His successes date farther back to his cars designed for Cart in the 80's and has a proven track record.

Using CATIA V5 for only 6 months installed a GUI for my imagination that allows me to "model" some pretty intricate things there...

I imagine that with years of CFD study and looking at software at work, Adrian can probably run 99% Simulations in his mind at this point.

[Henri]

Sadly it's a result of the "we must have a person to praise" / celebrity / star culture that the media loves to push these days. Star drivers, star designers, star managers. It's all tripe - F1 is a team game and no one, be that star designer, star driver, star manager, wins without the whole team working properly.

True f1 is always about the team not 1 person

You didn't answer the question or perhaps you avoided it: Who does Adrian Newey need to prove to that he isn't "overrated". Is there some kind of reason why he would be considered "overrated"? He is held in high regard by motorsport pundits and teams up and down the grid so...

Some may argue that aero nowadays is more reliant on CFD instead of pure aerodynamic knowledge and experience but of course we don't know how much Newey has been doing to keep up with such software or applied physics etc, though CFD in itself also should not be relied upon as the final word. As an engineer with first class honours degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics, perhaps what makes Newey successful isn't what is quantifiable but lies in the intangible, such as understanding what is needed for driver confidence and feel. His successes date farther back to his cars designed for Cart in the 80's and has a proven track record.

He's overrated because he wins top teams to win at layton house he didn't win.. plus rory Byrne outclassed many times.. and i.m not a newey hater just that he's not colin Chapman level